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    Posted: 15 March 2017 at 01:58
I'm personally more interested in lenses than bodies but having tried a few bodies over the years, my experience is limited in terms of upgrades. The A100 definitely feels clunky compared to the A700 and the A57 is pretty nice. The 850 has a solid feeling, better focusing speed etc. High ISO is pretty useful for me but as a hobbyist other features aren't as important. Being able to lock focus quickly without hunting is huge as well.

If you've tried multiple bodies over the years, what are the top features that you realized helped you? What I like might (will?) differ from what you like so I'm curious to see what the most popular answers will.

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Lets see:
KM Dynax 7D - old tech digital, but the user interface is the best I've used.
Sony A100 - Nice sensor, decent camera, a bit old by now.
Sony A900 - A digital Dynax 9. By current standards a bit limited in features, but as a simple photo taking system it is great. The centre double cross AF-point is unsurpassed.
Sony A77m2 - Boy, what a difference with the A900 - the simplicity is gone, but it is very capable with a lot of features. Only problem: AF is almost there, but not completely. I miss the double cross of the A900.

The Canons (30D, 6D, 1Ds, 1Ds2) are completely different cameras.

This remark I don't get: "High ISO is pretty useful for me but as a hobbyist other features aren't as important." What do you mean? Why is it important that you're an "hobbyist" for features to be important? I could say "as a hobbyist high ISO isn't as important" - but I don't think that it has anything to do with hobbyist or professional, but with the kind of photography you do and the way you use your camera!
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The most critical questions are
(a) whether you like, or want to try, an EVF or stick to OVF, and
(b) whether you want FF or not.

I assume the answer to (b) is no. If you haven't tried an EVF, you should. They offer lots of things you can't get on an OVF and despite using SLRs/DSLRs for several decades I now like the EVF very much for my main camera. There are several threads about this recently on Dyxum, or you can go to a shop and try one (any one). They also have in-camera lens corrections which is useful if you have Sony DT lenses and take jpegs.

If you want to stick to OVF, the A390 was one of the first with live view, which is useful and which I miss on the 5D. The last models with OVF had three digits.
Here's a table showing some of the relevant data.

Name     Mp     year     wt     hht     width     sensor     EVF     Live     DOF      AF
                                                                                        view      prev.     u-adj
Min 7D     6     2004     760     ?     ?     CD     no     no     yes     no
Min 5D     6     2005     590     ?     ?     CD     no     no     yes     no
A100     10     2006     545     ?     ?     CD     no     no     yes     no
A700     12     2007     690     105     142     CD     no     no     yes     no
A200     10     2008     532     98     131     CD     no     no     no     no
A300     10     2008     582     ?     ?     CD     no     yes     no     no
A350     14     2008     582     ?     ?     CD     no     yes     no     no
A900     24     2008     850     117     156     CMOS     yes     no     yes     yes
A230     10     2009     450     ?     ?     CD     no     no     no     no
A330     10     2009     490     ?     ?     CD     no     yes     no     no
A380     14     2009     490     ?     ?     CD     no     yes     no     no
A500     12     2009     597     104     137     CMOS     no     yes     no     no
A550     14     2009     599     ?     ?     CMOS     no     yes     no     no
A850     24     2009     850     117     156     CMOS     yes     no     yes     yes
A290     14     2010     456     ?     ?     CD     no     no     no     no
A390     14     2010     497     ?     ?     CD     no     yes     no     no
A450     14     2010     520     ?     ?     CMOS     no     yes     no     no
A580     16     2010     599     104     137     CMOS     no     yes     yes     no
A33     14     2010     433     92     124     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     no
A55     16     2010     441     92     124     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     no
Nex3     14     2010     239     62     110     CMOS     no     yes     no     no
A560     14     2011     599     ?     ?     CMOS     no     yes     yes     no
A35     16     2011     415     92     124     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     no
A65     24     2011     543     98     132     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     ?
A77     24     2011     653     104     143     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     yes
Nex7     24     2011     291     67     120     CMOS     yes     yes     no     no
A37     16     2012     448     92     124     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     no
A57     16     2012     539     98     132     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     no
A99     24     2012     733     111     147     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     yes
A58     20     2013     492     95.5     128.6     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     no
A7     24     2013     474     94     127     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     yes
A77 ii     24     2014     647     104     143     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     yes
A68     24     2016     610     104     143     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     yes
A99 ii     42     2016     849     104     143     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     yes

Sorry I can't get the columns straight. I might have another go when I have time.
Relevant facts are those with live view, and those which were small/large/etc. I think the A390 was one of the best OVF cameras as it was small and light and well featured, but the A33/35/37 were possibly the smallest.



Edited by Miranda F - 15 March 2017 at 09:18
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Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:


Sorry I can't get the columns straight. I might have another go when I have time.


If you use the bbcode {code} and {/code} (replacing curly brackets with straight ones) you should get a monospaced font that should make lining the columns up easier.

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(if you quote this message into another you should see what the BBcodes for the line above are...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Bob J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 March 2017 at 11:03
In fact...

Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

The most critical questions are
(a) whether you like, or want to try, an EVF or stick to OVF, and
(b) whether you want FF or not.

I assume the answer to (b) is no. If you haven't tried an EVF, you should. They offer lots of things you can't get on an OVF and despite using SLRs/DSLRs for several decades I now like the EVF very much for my main camera. There are several threads about this recently on Dyxum, or you can go to a shop and try one (any one). They also have in-camera lens corrections which is useful if you have Sony DT lenses and take jpegs.

If you want to stick to OVF, the A390 was one of the first with live view, which is useful and which I miss on the 5D. The last models with OVF had three digits.
Here's a table showing some of the relevant data.

Name     Mp     year     wt     hht     width     sensor     EVF     Live     DOF      AF
                                                                                        view      prev.     u-adj
Min 7D     6     2004     760     ?     ?     CD     no     no     yes     no
Min 5D     6     2005     590     ?     ?     CD     no     no     yes     no
A100     10     2006     545     ?     ?     CD     no     no     yes     no
A700     12     2007     690     105     142     CD     no     no     yes     no
A200     10     2008     532     98     131     CD     no     no     no     no
A300     10     2008     582     ?     ?     CD     no     yes     no     no
A350     14     2008     582     ?     ?     CD     no     yes     no     no
A900     24     2008     850     117     156     CMOS     yes     no     yes     yes
A230     10     2009     450     ?     ?     CD     no     no     no     no
A330     10     2009     490     ?     ?     CD     no     yes     no     no
A380     14     2009     490     ?     ?     CD     no     yes     no     no
A500     12     2009     597     104     137     CMOS     no     yes     no     no
A550     14     2009     599     ?     ?     CMOS     no     yes     no     no
A850     24     2009     850     117     156     CMOS     yes     no     yes     yes
A290     14     2010     456     ?     ?     CD     no     no     no     no
A390     14     2010     497     ?     ?     CD     no     yes     no     no
A450     14     2010     520     ?     ?     CMOS     no     yes     no     no
A580     16     2010     599     104     137     CMOS     no     yes     yes     no
A33     14     2010     433     92     124     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     no
A55     16     2010     441     92     124     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     no
Nex3     14     2010     239     62     110     CMOS     no     yes     no     no
A560     14     2011     599     ?     ?     CMOS     no     yes     yes     no
A35     16     2011     415     92     124     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     no
A65     24     2011     543     98     132     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     ?
A77     24     2011     653     104     143     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     yes
Nex7     24     2011     291     67     120     CMOS     yes     yes     no     no
A37     16     2012     448     92     124     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     no
A57     16     2012     539     98     132     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     no
A99     24     2012     733     111     147     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     yes
A58     20     2013     492     95.5     128.6     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     no
A7     24     2013     474     94     127     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     yes
A77 ii     24     2014     647     104     143     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     yes
A68     24     2016     610     104     143     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     yes
A99 ii     42     2016     849     104     143     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     yes

Sorry I can't get the columns straight. I might have another go when I have time.
Relevant facts are those with live view, and those which were small/large/etc. I think the A390 was one of the best OVF cameras as it was small and light and well featured, but the A33/35/37 were possibly the smallest.



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Okay, I'll have another go at posting this data! Thanks to BobJ for providing the missing code for fixed-width font. I had already selected this in my source, but it didn't carry over.
Here it is arranged by model number rather than date, and I have included a very few E-mount just for comparison purposes. Data sourced from Dyxum and from M. Hohner, lens comp data from Sony website. Note that older cameras need to have updated firmware to provide lens comp with newer lenses. Any mistakes are probably mine or Sony's. . Let me know and I'll correct them.
The reason I'm bothering, is that I find it useful to have this kind of data in an easy-to-read form to make decisions from. M. Hohner keeps far more data on his site but there is too much to see when you only want to know basic things, and he doesn't include dimensions, and the Dyxum data is useful too but doesn't give you a comparison table.
Anyway, here it is. Sorry for the abbreviations, but the full words upset the table.
Mp=megapixels, wt.=weight/g, Hgt=height/mm, wth=width/mm. Decimals rounded.

Name     Mp     year     wt.     Hgt     wth     sensr    EVF     Live DOF     AF     Lens
                                                                  view prevw u-adj   comp
5D        6     2005     590      92     130      CD       no      no     yes     no     no
7D        6     2004     760     106     150      CD       no      no     yes     no     no
A100     10     2006     545      95     133      CD       no      no     yes     no     no
A200     10     2008     532      98     131      CD       no      no      no     no     no
A230     10     2009     450      97     128      CD       no      no      no     no     no
A290     14     2010     456      97     128      CD       no      no      no     no     no
A300     10     2008     582      98     131      CD       no     yes      no     no     no
A330     10     2009     490      97     128      CD       no     yes      no     no     no
A350     14     2008     582      98     131      CD       no     yes      no     no     no
A380     14     2009     490      97     128      CD       no     yes      no     no     no
A390     14     2010     497      97     128      CD       no     yes      no     no     no
A450     14     2010     520     104     137     CMOS      no     yes      no     no     no
A500     12     2009     597     104     137     CMOS      no     yes      no     no     no
A550     14     2009     599     104     137     CMOS      no     yes      no     no     no
A560     14     2011     599     104     137     CMOS      no     yes     yes     no     no
A580     16     2010     599     104     137     CMOS      no     yes     yes     no     no
A700     12     2007     690     105     142     CMOS      no      no     yes     no     no
A33      14     2010     433      92     124     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     no     no
A35      16     2011     415      92     124     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     no     no
A37      16     2012     448      92     124     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     no     yes
A55      16     2010     441      92     124     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     no     no
A57      16     2012     539      98     132     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     no     yes
A58      20     2013     492      96     129     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     no     yes
A65      24     2011     543      98     132     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     no     yes
A68      24     2016     610     104     143     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     yes     yes
A77      24     2011     653     104     143     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     yes     yes
A77ii    24     2014     647     104     143     CMOS     yes     yes     yes     yes     yes
A850     24     2009     850     117     156     CMOS FF   no      no     yes     yes     no
A900     24     2008     850     117     156     CMOS FF   no      no     yes     yes     no
A99      24     2012     733     111     147     CMOS FF yes     yes     yes     yes     yes
A99ii    42     2016     849     104     143     CMOS FF yes     yes     yes     yes     yes
Nex3     14     2010     239      62     110     CMOS      no     yes      no      no      no
Nex7     24     2011     291      67     120     CMOS     yes     yes      no      no     yes
A7       24     2013     474      94     127     CMOS FF yes     yes     yes     yes     yes


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Edited by Miranda F - 17 March 2017 at 08:14
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That must've been a lot of work. I like it. One change, the A850/900, there is no EVF.
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Originally posted by al al wrote:

That must've been a lot of work. I like it. One change, the A850/900, there is no EVF.

Of course! Don't know how that slipped through! Corrected now.
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I believe the A700 has a CMOS sensor, not CCD.
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Originally posted by AutumnRose AutumnRose wrote:

I believe the A700 has a CMOS sensor, not CCD.
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@Miranda F: maybe worth to add this list to the following index, too
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addy, let me just say that personally a high ISO performance is a desirable feature for me.

But I'm kind of surprised that my original question got so few responses. Usually such a question ensues a good bit of factual comparison and opinions.

I personally am someone who likes EVF so much that I don't think I'll go back to EVF ever. Speaking of which, I recently was looking for an upgrade from my A700 got acquired an A850 with a very low shutter count but pretty soon decided I don't need 24MP and need an EVF. So it'll be appearing the in FS forum soon.

But the EVF is super cool. Seriously.

Miranda, that's a good bit effort in text formatting!
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A900 was the biggest improvement for the things I find important. The OVF and center AF were huge improvements over anything else available at that time. I've still got mine, but the A99 II is now my main camera because the new sensor is so good.
If Sony had put that sensor in a A900 body I'd like it even better. Maybe add live view - not SLT, the old style; I still like my OVF. And a better AF pattern. But that's about it. I'd gladly trade all the other high tech "whiz bang" stuff for that camera.     
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- great OOC JPEG including good AWB for mixed lighting
- great low light capability
- great centre point AF speed
- ready to make compromize in handling, if body and lenses are smaller

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a6500 & some nice e-mount af lenses 20/24/56/17-70/18-135 mm
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