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skm.sa100
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Topic: Body upgrades Posted: 15 March 2017 at 01:58 |
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I'm personally more interested in lenses than bodies but having tried a few bodies over the years, my experience is limited in terms of upgrades. The A100 definitely feels clunky compared to the A700 and the A57 is pretty nice. The 850 has a solid feeling, better focusing speed etc. High ISO is pretty useful for me but as a hobbyist other features aren't as important. Being able to lock focus quickly without hunting is huge as well.
If you've tried multiple bodies over the years, what are the top features that you realized helped you? What I like might (will?) differ from what you like so I'm curious to see what the most popular answers will. Sashi |
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addy landzaat
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 March 2017 at 07:01 | |
Lets see:
KM Dynax 7D - old tech digital, but the user interface is the best I've used. Sony A100 - Nice sensor, decent camera, a bit old by now. Sony A900 - A digital Dynax 9. By current standards a bit limited in features, but as a simple photo taking system it is great. The centre double cross AF-point is unsurpassed. Sony A77m2 - Boy, what a difference with the A900 - the simplicity is gone, but it is very capable with a lot of features. Only problem: AF is almost there, but not completely. I miss the double cross of the A900. The Canons (30D, 6D, 1Ds, 1Ds2) are completely different cameras. This remark I don't get: "High ISO is pretty useful for me but as a hobbyist other features aren't as important." What do you mean? Why is it important that you're an "hobbyist" for features to be important? I could say "as a hobbyist high ISO isn't as important" - but I don't think that it has anything to do with hobbyist or professional, but with the kind of photography you do and the way you use your camera! |
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Miranda F
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 March 2017 at 09:13 | |
The most critical questions are
(a) whether you like, or want to try, an EVF or stick to OVF, and (b) whether you want FF or not. I assume the answer to (b) is no. If you haven't tried an EVF, you should. They offer lots of things you can't get on an OVF and despite using SLRs/DSLRs for several decades I now like the EVF very much for my main camera. There are several threads about this recently on Dyxum, or you can go to a shop and try one (any one). They also have in-camera lens corrections which is useful if you have Sony DT lenses and take jpegs. If you want to stick to OVF, the A390 was one of the first with live view, which is useful and which I miss on the 5D. The last models with OVF had three digits. Here's a table showing some of the relevant data. Name Mp year wt hht width sensor EVF Live DOF AF view prev. u-adj Min 7D 6 2004 760 ? ? CD no no yes no Min 5D 6 2005 590 ? ? CD no no yes no A100 10 2006 545 ? ? CD no no yes no A700 12 2007 690 105 142 CD no no yes no A200 10 2008 532 98 131 CD no no no no A300 10 2008 582 ? ? CD no yes no no A350 14 2008 582 ? ? CD no yes no no A900 24 2008 850 117 156 CMOS yes no yes yes A230 10 2009 450 ? ? CD no no no no A330 10 2009 490 ? ? CD no yes no no A380 14 2009 490 ? ? CD no yes no no A500 12 2009 597 104 137 CMOS no yes no no A550 14 2009 599 ? ? CMOS no yes no no A850 24 2009 850 117 156 CMOS yes no yes yes A290 14 2010 456 ? ? CD no no no no A390 14 2010 497 ? ? CD no yes no no A450 14 2010 520 ? ? CMOS no yes no no A580 16 2010 599 104 137 CMOS no yes yes no A33 14 2010 433 92 124 CMOS yes yes yes no A55 16 2010 441 92 124 CMOS yes yes yes no Nex3 14 2010 239 62 110 CMOS no yes no no A560 14 2011 599 ? ? CMOS no yes yes no A35 16 2011 415 92 124 CMOS yes yes yes no A65 24 2011 543 98 132 CMOS yes yes yes ? A77 24 2011 653 104 143 CMOS yes yes yes yes Nex7 24 2011 291 67 120 CMOS yes yes no no A37 16 2012 448 92 124 CMOS yes yes yes no A57 16 2012 539 98 132 CMOS yes yes yes no A99 24 2012 733 111 147 CMOS yes yes yes yes A58 20 2013 492 95.5 128.6 CMOS yes yes yes no A7 24 2013 474 94 127 CMOS yes yes yes yes A77 ii 24 2014 647 104 143 CMOS yes yes yes yes A68 24 2016 610 104 143 CMOS yes yes yes yes A99 ii 42 2016 849 104 143 CMOS yes yes yes yes Sorry I can't get the columns straight. I might have another go when I have time. Relevant facts are those with live view, and those which were small/large/etc. I think the A390 was one of the best OVF cameras as it was small and light and well featured, but the A33/35/37 were possibly the smallest. Edited by Miranda F - 15 March 2017 at 09:18 |
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Miranda F & Sensorex, Sony A7Rii, A58, Nex-6, Dynax 4, 5, 60, 500si/600si/700si/800si, various Sony & Minolta lenses, several Tamrons, lots of MF primes and *far* too many old film cameras ...
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Bob J
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 March 2017 at 11:01 | |
If you use the bbcode {code} and {/code} (replacing curly brackets with straight ones) you should get a monospaced font that should make lining the columns up easier.
(if you quote this message into another you should see what the BBcodes for the line above are... |
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Bob J
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 March 2017 at 11:03 | |
In fact...
If you quote this postingthe codes are in place and you just need to add in some extra spaces. |
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Miranda F
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 March 2017 at 08:56 | |
Okay, I'll have another go at posting this data! Thanks to BobJ for providing the missing code for fixed-width font. I had already selected this in my source, but it didn't carry over.
Here it is arranged by model number rather than date, and I have included a very few E-mount just for comparison purposes. Data sourced from Dyxum and from M. Hohner, lens comp data from Sony website. Note that older cameras need to have updated firmware to provide lens comp with newer lenses. Any mistakes are probably mine or Sony's. . Let me know and I'll correct them. The reason I'm bothering, is that I find it useful to have this kind of data in an easy-to-read form to make decisions from. M. Hohner keeps far more data on his site but there is too much to see when you only want to know basic things, and he doesn't include dimensions, and the Dyxum data is useful too but doesn't give you a comparison table. Anyway, here it is. Sorry for the abbreviations, but the full words upset the table. Mp=megapixels, wt.=weight/g, Hgt=height/mm, wth=width/mm. Decimals rounded.
Okay, It would have been a lot easier to post it as a jpeg, but I wanted it to survive when the picture host goes down/is bought out/decides I am no longer worthy as a client. EDIT: Amended 17/03/17 Edited by Miranda F - 17 March 2017 at 08:14 |
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Miranda F & Sensorex, Sony A7Rii, A58, Nex-6, Dynax 4, 5, 60, 500si/600si/700si/800si, various Sony & Minolta lenses, several Tamrons, lots of MF primes and *far* too many old film cameras ...
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al
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 March 2017 at 14:12 | |
That must've been a lot of work. I like it. One change, the A850/900, there is no EVF.
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Miranda F
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 March 2017 at 15:41 | |
Of course! Don't know how that slipped through! Corrected now. |
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Miranda F & Sensorex, Sony A7Rii, A58, Nex-6, Dynax 4, 5, 60, 500si/600si/700si/800si, various Sony & Minolta lenses, several Tamrons, lots of MF primes and *far* too many old film cameras ...
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AutumnRose
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 March 2017 at 15:55 | |
I believe the A700 has a CMOS sensor, not CCD.
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Kathi
A900, A77, A37, A700, A580, NEX6, 800si, Maxxum 5 and a few lenses |
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stiuskr
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 March 2017 at 16:51 | |
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Rob Suits Jr.
a99M2 a99 a77 a700 KM7D|Min24/2.8 Min35/2 So50/1.4 So50/2.8 Min85/1.4G Tam90/2.8 Tam180/3.5|Tam17-50 CZ24-70G2 KM28-75D So70-200G1 So70-300G So70-400G1| SonyF60 AD200R2 |
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Micholand
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 March 2017 at 17:55 | |
@Miranda F: maybe worth to add this list to the following index, too
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skm.sa100
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 March 2017 at 20:24 | |
addy, let me just say that personally a high ISO performance is a desirable feature for me.
But I'm kind of surprised that my original question got so few responses. Usually such a question ensues a good bit of factual comparison and opinions. I personally am someone who likes EVF so much that I don't think I'll go back to EVF ever. Speaking of which, I recently was looking for an upgrade from my A700 got acquired an A850 with a very low shutter count but pretty soon decided I don't need 24MP and need an EVF. So it'll be appearing the in FS forum soon. But the EVF is super cool. Seriously. Miranda, that's a good bit effort in text formatting! |
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momech
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 March 2017 at 20:43 | |
A900 was the biggest improvement for the things I find important. The OVF and center AF were huge improvements over anything else available at that time. I've still got mine, but the A99 II is now my main camera because the new sensor is so good.
If Sony had put that sensor in a A900 body I'd like it even better. Maybe add live view - not SLT, the old style; I still like my OVF. And a better AF pattern. But that's about it. I'd gladly trade all the other high tech "whiz bang" stuff for that camera. |
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Aavo
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 March 2017 at 21:08 | |
- great OOC JPEG including good AWB for mixed lighting
- great low light capability - great centre point AF speed - ready to make compromize in handling, if body and lenses are smaller KM5D 2006-2007 A700 2007-2012 NEX7 2012-... Edited by Aavo - 16 March 2017 at 21:13 |
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a6500 & some nice e-mount af lenses 20/24/56/17-70
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