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Post Options Post Options   Quote nandbytes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 June 2020 at 18:09
Sashi, shooting wildlife on holidays or day out with your family will almost always not work out unless your family is also trying to get some wildlife shots or you are on a wildlife specific holiday like a safari.
I have got my missus just about using my Panasonic LX100ii but she still doesn't pick up my Sonys. May be one day we can be shooting partners too
But basically what I am getting at is it takes a lot of time, patience and setting up to get good shots or you need to be willing to go to places that's designed/designated for wildlife so it's easy pickings.

RX10IV has similar AF algorithms and processor to A9. Plus you have 600mm reach at f4. So it can give you good quality pictures and BiF shots but you'll have more reach with your tamron on a APS-C sensor.

If you are willing to splurge out like I have A7RIV+200-600mm is the best you can get in terms of reach on Sony.
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Hi Anand, yes, you're right about photography and family vacation not going well together.
For Christmas and New year, we visited Hawaii. The photos that I did manage to take are so banal that I haven't shared them on Dyxum.

I think I'm enjoying birding enough that I'll make the longer trips to the nature preserves in a bit. Maybe will look up some local photographers for company.

For now, though, I'll checkout the local marsh that I've discovered over the next year or two and see how it all works out and how good I can get. It's a slow burning passion.

Also I've scored an A77ii at a price that's reasonable to me from a member. I hope to be able to pair that with the Tam 150-600 and give it a shot this summer and autumn. I'll also try out the A99 with the 150-600.

But thanks for the recommendation about the RX10IV. I'll keep that in mind.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote wetapunga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 June 2020 at 23:30
Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

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But basically what I am getting at is it takes a lot of time, patience and setting up to get good shots or you need to be willing to go to places that's designed/designated for wildlife so it's easy pickings.

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Correct. I used to do a lot more wildlife and bird photography. In most cases- even with the primitive cameras of the time (a700, a900), the 300mm f4, sometimes paired with a 1.4x TC was enough reach. Most of my efforts were based around figuring out how to get closer to the birds.

What mattered more than the lens, was the research, planning and timing. You needed to know about the bird's behaviour, the best time of the day to photograph them, and be willing to put the time in trying to get the shots. Over time, I'd figure out good points of cover that were close to where the birds would be.

And that's largely the problem. You have to be at the right spot, at the right time, and hope everything comes together. Which can be difficult to fit around everything else in life.
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I think you will be happy with the A77II
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by SnowFella SnowFella wrote:

Ninja skills and possibly a hide will help for the first type and a good MFD will help for the second, sometimes nothing will help like the Lorikeet I had the other day who got so interested in it's reflection that he hopped onto my lenshood and looked in.

Bring a macro for birding Reminds me of pictures by Gustav Kiburg (a.k.a. IJsvogel) of Kingfishers on (Sony) lenses!

Laugh if you wish, but I've lost count of the number of times I've missed good bird shots because the bird came too close for the lens MFD. I reckon a 50mm macro lens is a pretty good choice for picnic sites!

I do most of my birding now at places with lots of people, and some of them are quite tame (the birds too). On my local lake the Canada geese will let you walk right up to their chicks, and you can get decent pics with a mobile phone! We now have three herons that live by the lake and are happy to be stared at but I haven't yet managed to get all three in one pic (I may cheat ... )

Edited by Miranda F - 29 June 2020 at 12:35
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I used the Tamron 150-600 for while and it is a good lens. I would pair with with an A77II though. Or an A68. The faster focusing is going to be handy. The A99 would be great paired with the lens though. May not have the same equivalent reach, but it would make for a great pair.

I am now using the 200-600 zoom with the A6600. It's a truly great combination. I am surprised by how many people in my area, who are into bird photography, own this lens. It's a lot better than the Tamron, which is no slouch (as far as being lighter and the optics are an improvement). Although I find the A6100 to be a really nice camera. The A6100 and the 70-350 APS-C zoom is a lightweight combination. And the new 100-400mm Sigma is getting good reviews.

Although, for a lightweight, capable camera, the RX10IV is hard to beat. Nice ergonomics, nice lens, focuses quickly (I sold my A77II and the Tamron and replaced it with the RX10IV until the birding bug and gear envy hit hard). If I could only have one camera to carry around all day, it would still be the RX10IV.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 June 2020 at 18:39
Originally posted by Almazar80 Almazar80 wrote:

The A6100 and the 70-350 APS-C zoom is a lightweight combination.
And the combinations is sharp enough to crop. But if you find 600mm on APS-C to short, the 70-350G will also be too short

However, if you do birding, you need to crop. This is with the A6400 and 70-350G:


But it is a crop of this:


The next one is an even bigger crop. It was taken with the 100-300 APO (D) (you know, the lens that is not sharp ) on the A99m2 in APS-C mode at 300mm (450mm equivelent) and I cropped the 18mpx to 9mpx:


I think it is a decent picture And it illustrates the point that you do not need anything really fancy to get a picture of a bird sitting on a pole/roof/whatever.

BIF is more difficult. It is the most difficult thing to photograph IMHO. The picture above is simply luck and a camera with exceptional AF..... But still, I take credit. But like you, always I struggle with it, simply not enough experience. A better system might help, but still, nothing can replace experience I belief. And don't be afraid to crop.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:



BIF is more difficult. It is the most difficult thing to photograph IMHO. A better system might help, but still, nothing can replace experience I belief. And don't be afraid to crop.


I still can't help thinking location and luck come into it quite a bit. I would love to shoot many species that would have to be escapees from a zoo or lost to be in my neck of the woods; and the AF works fine enough for BIF when they're flying across the sky or away from you; toward you is another story. It would also be nice if they took direction; "back up and try it again, this time with the beak closed and looking this way".   
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rastapartaman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 June 2020 at 06:26
I started with the A100 and the sigma 70-300 APO. Very slow combination for AF speed. But still managed to get amazing pictures.
Learn more about bird behaviour, best times and locations. That will allow to get closer.
That said, nothing beats more range. A longer lens is the way to go but get used to the weight. It's not easy to carry a big lens all day long.
I now got the A68 with the Tamron 150-600 and it's a good combo. The A77II is better in FPS and buffer and I regret not buying it.
Compact lenses wise the Minolta 100-300APO and the Sony 55-300 are good choices to go lightweight.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote SnowFella Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 June 2020 at 08:22
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:


Bring a macro for birding Reminds me of pictures by Gustav Kiburg (a.k.a. IJsvogel) of Kingfishers on (Sony) lenses!


There's inherent "dangers" with the up close and personal birding aswell.
Mere minutes after this shot was taken.

DSC06237-Edit by Johan Olsson, on Flickr

This happened.

26196085_10210877100783572_6828328294071961768_n by Johan Olsson, on Flickr
Never noticed that the cormorant who's wing is poking into the first shot circled around and landed in a tree above me. Lucky I tend to do my birding wearing a cap as the brim protected the camera and my head from splatter.
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Johan,
Very funny reportage, but probably not so much when you were on the spot. Presumably the lens survived OK.
Reminds me of the anecdote concerning the legendary British conductor Sir Thomas Beecham relating to a performance of Verdi's spectacular ancient Egyptian opera Aida that included an elephant processing on the stage during the Triumphal March. The elephant defecated while on stage leading to Beecham remarking - "Appalling manners .... but what a critic!"
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Originally posted by Jozioau Jozioau wrote:

Johan,
Very funny reportage, but probably not so much when you were on the spot. Presumably the lens survived OK.
Reminds me of the anecdote concerning the legendary British conductor Sir Thomas Beecham relating to a performance of Verdi's spectacular ancient Egyptian opera Aida that included an elephant processing on the stage during the Triumphal March. The elephant defecated while on stage leading to Beecham remarking - "Appalling manners .... but what a critic!"

Sir Thomas was a truly brilliant conductor, but he had a wicked tongue at times. He is said to have remarked to a lady cellist whose playing did not match his expectation, "You have between your legs something that could give pleasure to thousands, yet you just sit there and scratch it."
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Post Options Post Options   Quote SnowFella Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 July 2020 at 10:49
Originally posted by Jozioau Jozioau wrote:

Johan,
Very funny reportage, but probably not so much when you were on the spot. Presumably the lens survived OK.

Umm, to this day there's still some literal poo stuck in the raised lettering. Does little for it's optical quality though I'm not sure what it would do inregards to it's secondhand value if I ever tried selling it.
Can't imagine the sales pitch of "perfect glass but some poo stuck on the barrel" to go down very well on the ebay circuit somehow!
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Originally posted by SnowFella SnowFella wrote:

Can't imagine the sales pitch of "perfect glass but some poo stuck on the barrel" to go down very well on the ebay circuit somehow!

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