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Post Options Post Options   Quote dCap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 January 2021 at 18:14
Good point - I meant in cameras - but I still don't really understand some reviewers 'pet hatred' of Sony menu design. Unlike some of the dedicated long term Min/KM/Sony shooters in here I've used other brands menus and know first hand what they are like. But even then - set it and forget it is my way of working. Having Canon-grade menus would make me use them any more. I think I went into RX100 IV menus once in 6 months. Everything else I need is up there off the front 'Q menu'.

But this might be my roots. My first camera had 'A' dial and an aperture ring. And I pretty much shoot that way today.

I'll add one critique of the A7II - the front dial feels to be in an odd place. Could just be a size of the camera thing? I've not had enough time with it yet though and live pretty much in A mode (or if not then M) so I use the real 'top-ish' dial instead.

Not sure if many of the a7/a9/a6xxx line had the joy stick ... had that on my Fuji X-E3. Fabulous idea. And converting to that is a joy.

While I switched the touch screen of the X-E3 off I also had four control buttons (4x menu D pad buttons). I switched that lot off too.

I have no idea what people do with so many buttons.   I have C1-C4 on the A7II and have two of them set to 'off' (do nothing). Maybe I'm just a point-and-shoot fan boy and not a menu diver?
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I find Sony menu's fine and do not understand the fuss about them. It might be because I had a training in industrial automation - if you can program a PLC, the Sony menu is fine. In my experience, the Canon menus are more frustrating, but that might be because they are not that deep and you cannot set some things (and I keep searching for them....)

After a while I turned off the touchscreen on all my cameras for shooting. I like it for reviewing images and the menu, but not useful for shooting. Looking at the viewfinder the touchscreen is unintuitive and when using it with the screen, I cannot reach the screen as my hands are needed to hold the camera.

I find the (top) thumbwheel on the mark II cameras annoying. It is recessed and not easily reachable. I also fid the dedicated ev-wheel superfluous - I would have preferred it to be a programmable wheel. But it seems some people love this (probably the same people who love dedicated aperture rings )

Indeed, later cameras have a square option.

Re. the front wheel on the mark II's: you will get used to it. It is a little to straight, later cameras tilt it a little.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 January 2021 at 18:38
Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:

I like the position. Jutting out looks odd but works well.

This pretty much sold me on the A7 cameras. The EVF was more usable for me.
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Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:

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I have no idea what people do with so many buttons.   I have C1-C4 on the A7II and have two of them set to 'off' (do nothing). Maybe I'm just a point-and-shoot fan boy and not a menu diver?


I find them quite useful.
C1- Focus Magnification. Helps manual focus shots identify if I've got focus right.
C2- Silent shooting. Useful for events or pets or wild birds when you don't want to distract anyone.
C3- Steady shot on/off. For when I have camera on tripod. Early Sony DSLR's had a manual switch for this so I'm used to it on the camera body.
C4- APS-C select. Can be useful for composing distant subjects where I don't really need a 42MP image.

I also switch the WB position on the wheel for ISO, as I like to be able to adjust the ISO on the fly, whereas I've never needed to quickly adjust the WB...

I also use different settings for video
so
C1- Zoom (engages digital zoom).
C2- APS-C/SSC mode. Switch between Full-Frame and Crop instantly
C3- Audio Record levels
C4- Picture Profile (in case I want to use S-Log etc)



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a7riii- Voigtländer 15/4.5, Zeiss Loxia 21/2.8, 35/2, 50/2, 85/2.4, Batis 85/1.8, Voigtländer 110/2.5, Sony 24-105/4 G, Sigma 100-400 f5-6.3.
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