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Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:


I also plan to carry on using APS-C lenses (E and A-mount) where convenient as these fill in the fast prime gaps. Which brings me to another point: I have previously criticised the camera manufacturers and photo press for giving the ‘FF equivalent’ focal lengths freely but never converting the apertures too, but I’ve now decided they’re right!

If you stick an APS-C lens on an FF camera the image is cropped, either as you take the picture or else afterwards. Sure, I’ve heard all the shtick about the reduction in light- gathering power and the increase in DOF, but I’m rarely concerned about either of those. The fact is, that a 35mm f1.8 DT APS-C lens gives roughly the same angle of view as a 50mm f1.8 FF lens and it also needs exactly the same shutter speed fully open, which is my main requirement for a fast lens. I think that most of the discussions about equivalence never really moved on from film portraiture.

So the A-mount SAM lenses (30, 35, 50, 85mm) are likely to be quite useful on the LA-EA1 or 3 when I want an f1.8-f2.8 prime, and I have several MF primes I can use on dumb adapters too. The little PK-mount Miranda 50mm F2 lens is not that long even on an LA-EA3, and I have some classic Zeiss primes too for when I feel nostalgic.

Rather disappointing the LA-EA5 doesn't AF with screw-drive lenses on most of the A7 range, but I’ll try taking the baffles out of the LA-EA1 and see how that does before trading in the LA-EA2 for a 3 or 4.

I recommend selling the SAM and APS-C primes and the LA-EA adapter(s) and buying native full-frame AF lenses.


Edited by QuietOC - 06 January 2021 at 21:01
Sony A7III A7RII NEX-5T HVL-F45RM LA-EA3 LA-EA4r MB-IV MC-11 EF-E II TLT ROKR MD-NEX KR-NEX DA-NEX
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Pentax Q7 5-15 15-45/2.8 8.5/1.9 11.5/9 AF-P/Q
 



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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

I recommend selling the SAM and APS-C primes and the LA-EA adapter(s) and buying native full-frame AF lenses.


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@Miranda F

I'm quite the fan of the 3rd generation A7 cameras and I think the a7iii should last for many years, generating great images. Some manual focus lenses work very nicely with dumb adapters on these cameras. And you can manually enter the focal length to get the best out of the camera's stabilisation system.

So it looks like a good plan. The only advice I have would be to (eventually) get some E-mount AF lenses rather than rely on your adapted A-mount ones. To really take advantage of the camera's AF system, the native E-mount lenses work much better.

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Oh, I'd missed the complete omission of native FE lenses.

I'm not a fan of Frankenstein's monster.

Part of the reason I moved to 4/3 and then m4/3 (and later tried fuji XF) was that they were NOT relying on any old tech and were designing for the mount, tech, and size of the new cameras. This also kept me only 'considering' rewinding all the way back to D700/5DII era bodies and grabbing some cheap AFD or EF lenses. Lenses design for film cameras didn't convert well to dSLR initially.

Size and design fit is also important to me (especially as an 85mm is probably the longest lens I'd consider, but will more likely stop at 50mm). The zooms are all pretty much too big for me. 24-70/4 is borderline but the Pan 12-60/2.8-4 on my Pan GX9 is too big to balance well. The % weight with A7II/24-70 was too similar (although the A7II does at least have a built-in grip).

That Samyang have designed AF lenses specifically for the Sony FE means I will almost certainly get one to support them and will probably not consider the 'designed for dSLR' versions.

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Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:

I have considered getting an APS camera too for certain things. The Sony 10-18/4 interests me a lot. But it'll be 2022/2023 before I entertain a second body. By which time I'll continue to watch what else gets released. a6400 + 10-18/4 + 16-70/4 pair were an option I considered (but that is a chunk more cash than I was aiming to drop on full-frame).

In about 6 months time I'll decide if I want to try a few other lenses in the short term ... gonna live 28mm for 3 months first though (probably Apr-Jun when going outside is allowed again).


Yes, the A6xxx cameras with IBIS are much too expensive for me too, but I can really recommend the Nex-6 which has a nice control arrangement and works very well, for not a lot of money s/h, and some of the lenses are . The Samyang (MF) 12mm f2 is a lovely lens on this camera, and so is the later Meike 35mm f1.7 MF - real classic appeal.
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- No IBIS, but it's easy to hand-hold at slow shutter speeds.
- No usable AF with A-mount lenses on the LA1/3 despite claims otherwise, but you get aperture control and data.
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Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:

Oh, I'd missed the complete omission of native FE lenses.

I'm not a fan of Frankenstein's monster.

Part of the reason I moved to 4/3 and then m4/3 (and later tried fuji XF) was that they were NOT relying on any old tech and were designing for the mount, tech, and size of the new cameras. This also kept me only 'considering' rewinding all the way back to D700/5DII era bodies and grabbing some cheap AFD or EF lenses. Lenses design for film cameras didn't convert well to dSLR initially.

Size and design fit is also important to me (especially as an 85mm is probably the longest lens I'd consider, but will more likely stop at 50mm). The zooms are all pretty much too big for me. 24-70/4 is borderline but the Pan 12-60/2.8-4 on my Pan GX9 is too big to balance well. The % weight with A7II/24-70 was too similar (although the A7II does at least have a built-in grip).

That Samyang have designed AF lenses specifically for the Sony FE means I will almost certainly get one to support them and will probably not consider the 'designed for dSLR' versions.


Yes, my thoughts exactly. I made a list (okay, several, plus charts and graphs ) of suitable lenses that are neither too long nor too heavy not too expensive, are at least f2.8, work well and don't rattle, and it looks basically like this:

FE AF Primes:-
Samyang 14, 18, 24, 35, 45, 75
Sony     28, 35, 50f1.8, 50f2.8macro,
Tamron   20, 24, 35macro

Adapted primes FE AF:-
Sony 85mm f2.8 on LA-EA3

Adapted MF primes:-
Zeiss, Cosina, Miranda, Paragon, etc 28, 35, 50mm
The Pk-fit plastic lenses are amazingly dinky and work pretty well. Always had a soft spot for the Zeiss Tessar.

Adapted AF lenses:
Loads of Minoltas, but don't like the LA-EA2/4 on the Nex - too big and heavy. Might be better on the A7?
The Sony 30mm f2.8 macro, 35mm f1.8 and 50mm f1.8 all AF with LA-EA1/3 on the A7 and cover most of the FF field (proved with the A900) if you turn off the auto crop. Not sure if the corrections still get applied to jpegs if you do that...
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:


I recommend selling the SAM and APS-C primes and the LA-EA adapter(s) and buying native full-frame AF lenses.

Ah, but I will most likely be retaining the Nex-6 and the E-mount APS-C lenses for those occasions where size matters more than FF. I will keep the Sony A-mount and a few of the others, like the macro and tele lenses, and those FF primes and zooms that are useful on film even if I wouldn't pick them for digital (the 19-35mm for example).

Also, my photography style doesn't often put much stress on focussing (except when it does, of course ...) so I enjoy MF lenses so long as I remember to ficus them (note to self - don't mix AF and MF lenses in the gadget bag )

But I will have to get rid of a lot of the Minoltas just to make space.    
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Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

... FE AF Primes:-
Samyang 14, 18, 24, 35, 45, 75
Sony     28, 35, 50f1.8, 50f2.8macro,
Tamron   20, 24, 35macro ...


I have many many scraps of paper with almost all of these scribbled on it.

My firm faves are the the Samyang 18 + 24 + 35.
Well, and the 28/2 that I now own and 50/2.8 which is almost certainly coming one day.

Ideally, and I might well do it, I'd try them all (Samyang 18/24/35, Sony 35/35, Tam 20/24/35) - I'm in A7II for the long term and see the 28/2 as my reference optic. It'll be the one I shoot with almost exclusively outdoors for most of this year. Then I might grab one of the others and use it for a quarter (e.g. Jul/Aug/Sep), look after it, shoot on non-windy days, then sell it and move to the next one.

That would be a more structured (and cheaper) way of repeating what I did when I first joined A-mount in 2005, coming to Minolta fresh I needed to understand what the lenses were like and there was virtually nothing reliable online at that time. I tried a lot of them but some just for a month or so.

With Sony 28/2 and Sony 50/macro as my main lenses (only got the 50/1.8 as it was half price and was silly not to, I'd have tried it anyway and paid more than that used). It would take 8x lots of 3 month sessions, so 2 years to try the small 18-35 zone primes that interest me the most.

The immediate (unknown, untried) keeper would be the Samyang 18/2.8 as this fits an 18 + 28 + 50/macro trio.

The 24s + 35s would be neat to think of as alternatives to my 28/2. And the 35/2.8s have to both be tried at starkly different price points. Sony 35/2.8 would be used. I love the idea of the 35/2.8 and would be nice to have a lens that small (despite some negative reviews, I could see the Sony 35/2.8 being a keeper as a super small (and WR) option).

Thankfully, the zooms are too big for me and I don't need a tele.
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Samyang 14/2.8 I consider too exotic for me. Have only viewed things that wide on one lens and that is a decade ago. Might re-think it if I got to enjoy the 18/2.8 but I'd probably stay in the 18-50 zone. While the 55/1.8 gets super stella reviews I need a macro in my life and prefer to carry just a camera and one lens (perhaps a 2nd in the bag) and that will be 28/2 + 50/macro.

I've shifted to preferring a much wider view than I used to shoot at.
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Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:


The 24s + 35s would be neat to think of as alternatives to my 28/2. And the 35/2.8s have to both be tried at starkly different price points. Sony 35/2.8 would be used. I love the idea of the 35/2.8 and would be nice to have a lens that small (despite some negative reviews, I could see the Sony 35/2.8 being a keeper as a super small (and WR) option).

Thankfully, the zooms are too big for me and I don't need a tele.

Yes, 18mm and 24mm look my key FL for FF, with something good in the 40-50mm region, preferably close focussing and semi-macro. On the A58 I used to find the DT18-55 SAMII focussed close enough for casual macro and a spacer made it focus closer still - but the (current) A_mount DT lenses all seem to be very sharp near their MFD - not true in general!

Most of the FE lenses have a very poor magnification, and it seems we have to go back to the old tradition of 'macro' lenses which were only 1:2. I have at least four specialist macro lenses in A-mount (30, 50, 90, 105) most of which are FF so I'm loathe to buy more!

I mostly use MF in macro anyway (hand-holding AF doesn't work when the AF is too slow to follow the rocking) but it would be nice to have a decent close-focussing or semi-macro AF FE lens a tad wider than 50mm. Not sure what to do about that.
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Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:


The 24s + 35s would be neat to think of as alternatives to my 28/2. And the 35/2.8s have to both be tried at starkly different price points. Sony 35/2.8 would be used. I love the idea of the 35/2.8 and would be nice to have a lens that small (despite some negative reviews, I could see the Sony 35/2.8 being a keeper as a super small (and WR) option).



I used both the 2.8/3 & 2/28. Where I think the 35 is the better overall lens. The 28 is a bit punchier thnx to its f2, distortion is a issue, even with Ligtroom profile correction. Stiil own the 28, but don't use it much. I found it a much better lens using it on a APS-C body (42mm).

I sold the 2.8/35 after 1,5 years. I liked its images, but never realy WOW-ed me. I got the Voigtlander 1.7/35 Utron and never looked back. Sharp in centre, smooth bokeh, nice colours and amazing build quality. After years of heavy use, not a scratch or dent, looks and feels like new

There is only 1 24mm in FE mount that steals all the prices; 1.4/24 GM. For me to wide as a general everyday lens.

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I'm still attracted to the CZ 35/2.8 for the size alone (and also WR). Might try it one day (used with the intention of flipping). But will see how much I enjoy the 28/2. With lockdown imposed while my new A7II camera was in transit I've not even unpacked it from the box yet. But I will next week. Indoors shots are fun and all but not the reason I bought it ... likely to be waiting until April until I get to use it outside.

The Tamron 24 and 35 half-macro tick a lot of boxes for me (on paper) - and size too. But after 10 years in m43 I want some FF f2 to play with. Will re-look at the f2.8s once I've found played wide open a chunk.

Thankfully - for my bank account - I'm staying at the low end of the price range for the moment, so the AF 1.4s are not even on my radar. They are also too big for the way I like to carry and shoot.

The Ultron 35/1.7 (in Leica M mount) is the lens that made me get Voigtländer ink back in 2008 - something that someone in here posted was "a photoshop fake image". But it is still there on my arm and will feature in the relevant week of the Photo 150 challenge. It was a lens I used a lot in 2004 on a film body.

There are two Voigtländer Sony FE lenses I'd love to try - and am looking forward to working my way towards them in a few years time. That statement alone is part of the reason I exited m43, I like to have something on the horizon that is currently out of reach. With Oly on pause and Pan focusing on FF (and letting fuji make a better video camera!) it was time to exit.

One day I'll get me some Voigtländer glass again. The 10/5.6 would be amazing to have. And one of the longer ones. Need to see and feel 28mm as my walkabout before I commit to anything else. I'd not rule out an eventual switch to just manual focus - but couple/three years AF to play with first.
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This is not a review - I think you need at least 3 months of regular use to start thinking about writing a review - this is just some very early first impressions.

For perspective - this is here for the very few people who have not yet gotten into Sony FE and are also considering starting out with an A7II. An old model, but still available new. And I hope they keep this available new for many more years. I'm also coming to this fresh from 10 years in m43 (mainly Olympus). After a failed attempt to switch to APS with the Fujifilm cameras (X100F, X-T30, X-E3, X-T3). I didn't enjoy the handling on any of the Fujifilm cameras.

Note that I've never handled a NEX, a5xxx, a6xxx, or A7 model before. The last Sony dSLR/mirrorless camera I touched was my a100 many years ago. SLT was not something that interested me.

A big RX100
This is gonna sound real weird. And since I got a used Sony RX100 IV in June 2020 (primarily as a take with me everywhere, everyday, 365-ish, camera). The RX100 IV was my first Sony camera since the a100 which I got in 2006/7? I shot 180-ish days of a 365 with my RX100 IV and as a result got very used to it very quickly. I'd come from a decade on m43 and have always had a touchscreen camera (since whichever model Olympus started having touch screen?). I shot a lot with the RX100 IV in the 6 months from June to December 2020.

So, coming to an A7II kinda fresh but also after 6 months of daily heavy RX100 IV use ... the A7 II is just like a big RX100! The Q menu (or whatever it is called) is identical. Button layout is very similar, but I have some more custom buttons. I like that I am already familiar with it.

Learning the RX100 was kinda novel, but my learning on the A7 II is sort of done on Day One. It is very much part of the Sony family. This is a good thing, if I want to add a a6100 or a6400 then I know I'm stepping into familiarity.

The trolls reviews that hate on Sony handling have missed the fact that some people might be coming from RX100 or a6xxx models and the transition to the A7II is seamless. Nicely done Sony.

Sure Sony are famous for having the worse menu structure in the world but after initial set-up I don't menu dive anyway. What I do is look through every single menu item and option (except video which I don't shoot), and then set what I think I want. Then after a month of use I will go back and read every menu option again - this reminds me of things I might have missed but also a chance to swap a setting. From there I very very rarely touch the inner menus. I just rely on the mini Q menu.

Build & Buttons
Build quality seems really good. Since there isn't a camera shop on the small island that I live on - and since travel is restricted and a lot of physical stores closed - I had to buy this camera having never ever handled one. I also bought my RX100 blind.

Button are nice and solid. I can see the critique in some of the back dial feel but being familiar with the RX100 I'm pleased with all the buttons.

I like the overall build - it feels solid. On a par with the excellent build of the Panasonic GX9 (and GX80). But the bonus being that that the A7II is sealed. Looks like it'll cope with daily use (when I'm allowed outside again for leisure activity).

The rear tilt LCD is very similar to the RX100 IV. It feels a little thinner, and I'm not sure why. The RX100 IV screen is a lot easier to unclip from the bottom whereas the A7II is easier to unclip from the top and then the bottom.

I'm probably a 60/40 EVF/LCD shooter so that LCD is important to me. I've had the side-swivel (Pan G80) and having wanted that orientation for years much prefer the RX100/A7 tilt-only plane.

EVF
Very good but not brilliant. I'm surprized this isn't better/nicer looking inside. I have been spoilt with some excellent EVF. I'd give this one a firm grade B.

I like the position. Jutting out looks odd but works well. Diopter has nice click stops (not all cameras have click stops!).

Power
Not including an external charger is a poor decision. Charging in-camera is a pretty horrible experience. Yes it is nice to have. But there is no way that door or that port are going to last 3+ years of regular/heavy use. If you are a heavy user get an external charger. Like my RX100 IV, I've charged the battery ONCE in camera and bought a third-party external charger after the very first charge 'experience'.

Battery life has been a known issue for all mirrorless cameras. I did buy a spare battery already. I don't understand why Sony bundle two batteries in some cameras and not this one? Perhaps the R and S are more thirsty? We know the batteries probably only cost $10 to make, include a 2nd one please.

This is mentioned somewhere in the forum - but I had the 'camera forgets date/time' issue on day one. You need to power this thing up and set the menus and then keep using it for a bit or the internal battery (used for date/time/menus doesn't charge up). If you just turn it on set the date, spend 3 mins in menus and then power down you will be greeted with a 'set date/time' screen at next power up. I'm gonna call this a design flaw straight out of the gate. I've never had that issue with any other camera. And I've had Canon, KM, Sony, Nikon, Oly, Pan dSLRs. My A7II was made 10-2020 (Oct) and bought Dec - this should not happen and is a pretty horrible onboarding experience. I can imagine many stores are used to fielding the call of 'my camera is faulty'. Sony need to fix this problem. I knew this was an issue, in advance, but was surprized given the Oct-Dec time to see it be a thing. Very poor internal design there.

Battery life is shown in % and this is great (wish all cameras did this, they don't).

Sensor Clean
Be sitting down when you first do this. It is quite a thunk! I've had sensor clean on many cameras in the past and they are all audible. But this one is a shock! You certainly know it is doing something!! Not sure how often it cycles that or how often people initiate it?

Manual Focus
While I am not a particularly big fan of manual focus, I do have my eye on a future Voigtländer lens (for obvious reasons for the people that know me in the real world). So manual focus (with 28/2) was an early thing I tried. Again, being familiar with how this works on RX100 IV I think this is nicely done. I'd happily get a manual focus lens for certain things.

I do have a very wild and long term aim to have just one lens one day ... and that might even be manual focus. This is something I've considered for a couple of years. I'd happily do it with this camera.

28/2 & 50/1.8
The 28/2 was my firm first lens. Too early to say if I like it. Build and size are good. AF does what it should.

Had a look at the 21mm and FishEye clip on things (which is not part of the reason I got this lens). And they are really heavy. Might need to look into how well they perform and might consider one/both. I honestly hate the idea of clipping on something but these are designed by Sony for this lens only and the camera will also detect that the 21mm or Fish view has been seen. They are pretty expensive though (good/bad - means there is probably some decent design).

50/1.8 - I'll admit I put about 3 mins thought into getting this lens. I want and will get the 50/2.8 macro. But this was half-price with my A7II ... no brainer. I knew I'd grab a used one one day - so why not half price new! Cheaper! Also means I can use it in studio (I was aiming at 28-70 kit bundle but got the 50mm instead). I will also possibly just keep this until, like, you know, week50mm. I grabbed a Hoya Close-up +3 to use as a temporary macro.

28/2 is going to me my daily (from April) and I'll probably leave the 50mm at home for studio shots of flowers and stuff.

Touch
I still don't miss my touchscreen. Thought I would with the RX100 IV (which is one of the big reasons I got it used). But I value EVF and Tilt rear LCD so much more than the touch screen. I had touchscreen on the Fujifilm X-E3 and actually turned that feature off.

Formats
I find it odd that I can only have 3:2 and 16:9 frames to shoot. My RX100 gives me square (and I shot all 180 days in square format). Later A7 models also offer square I think?

Overall
I am perfectly happy with this camera. I'm looking forward to using it. And since I have near zero learning curve (thanks to the RX100 IV) I'm ready to hit the streets running (in April).

What Next
I haven't decided what format I'm going to aim for with the A7II yet. I might just shoot everything in 16:9 (I don't really like 3:2). I wish I could shoot 1:1. Am waiting for lockdown to end (mid-February or end March?) before using it outside. Until then I'll get playing in the studio.

I'm pleased with all three items - A7 II - 28/2 - 50/1.8. But the 50/1.8 probably won't be here forever. 50 Macro will replace it one day.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 January 2021 at 17:50
Lots of good points there, dCap. Agree with almost all of them. Had to stop using my phone because the USB charging socket wore out. New phone has wireless charging...
Don't like touchscreens except on satnav.
Sony menus are very far from the worst. The worst I've ever used by a considerable margin is the one on our Renault Scenic.

Renault marketing dept. clearly asked engineering to add GPS to their premium model but were not allowed to change anything else nor to add any actual extra cost, so they used the existing radio display (which is too far away to touch) and so you can't have the satnav on and the radio off, and the menu is to fiendishly cumbersome it is almost impossible to use.
The menu structure looks like the brief was to have as many gee-whiz things on the first screen to impress the punters, while hiding all the useful things away in three different sub-menus entered by different buttons on the console. Honestly, you couldn't make it up!
And you cannot get warm air on your toes and cold air on your face, which is a basic need in England and which Rover got right in 1962.

Edited by Miranda F - 23 January 2021 at 17:53
Miranda F & Sensorex, Sony A7Rii, A58, Nex-6, Dynax 4, 5, 60, 500si/600si/700si/800si, various Sony & Minolta lenses, several Tamrons, lots of MF primes and *far* too many old film cameras ...
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