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Just my wish - small rangefinder FF model for e-mount lenses with good enough a6500 series direct control level + AF point joystick + My Menu and some more small FF lenses please.


That'd be very nice indeed. even AF joystick isn't required with real time AF.
A forefinger dial would be a good addition.
There are already a few good small lenses. So even that is not an immediate concern. A few more would be nice of course.
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Yes.
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RE. Canon:
I was not talking about full frame mirrorles cameras, in that market segment Sony is clearly the market leader. However, ILC's in general Canon still seems the biggest by a fair margin.

Re. A A6x00 sized FF camera:
There is zero incentive for Sony to develop such a camera. The smallest FF camera is the Canon RP and it is a little smaller then the A7 mark 3 cameras, but not enough for it to buy a RP over an A7. If you want small, go APS-C. However, there are some holes in the line up. Especially a good small tele zoom, some decent primes wider then 20mm, and a proper, non-travel, normal zoom.
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It is interesting. Why to "hate" small FF model?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2019 at 15:39
I think there's a big difference between the idea (speculation?) that there is no incentive for Sony to develop a smaller FF camera and actually hating it (or hating the idea).
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

RE. Canon:
I was not talking about full frame mirrorles cameras, in that market segment Sony is clearly the market leader. However, ILC's in general Canon still seems the biggest by a fair margin.

Re. A A6x00 sized FF camera:
There is zero incentive for Sony to develop such a camera. The smallest FF camera is the Canon RP and it is a little smaller then the A7 mark 3 cameras, but not enough for it to buy a RP over an A7. If you want small, go APS-C. However, there are some holes in the line up. Especially a good small tele zoom, some decent primes wider then 20mm, and a proper, non-travel, normal zoom.


I want small and don't want to go APS-C. The original A7 promised just that when I switched to E-mount and they have broken that promise.
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Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

I want small and don't want to go APS-C. The original A7 promised just that when I switched to E-mount and they have broken that promise.
Where did you read that promise?
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Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

I want small and don't want to go APS-C. The original A7 promised just that when I switched to E-mount and they have broken that promise.
Where did you read that promise?


Lol ok but you get my point. It's not unreasonable to expect them to follow up with similar sized bodies or at least provide it as an option.
There aren't any APS-C options that's not too big a compromise. Fuji may be that option but I am still investigating that.
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Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

I want small and don't want to go APS-C. The original A7 promised just that when I switched to E-mount and they have broken that promise.
Where did you read that promise?


Lol ok but you get my point. It's not unreasonable to expect them to follow up with similar sized bodies or at least provide it as an option.
There aren't any APS-C options that's not too big a compromise. Fuji may be that option but I am still investigating that.


Well, I think there is a big difference between the expectation of a customer and the promise of a company. I don't think you should confuse one with the other

On a more serious note, what's your problem with APS-C that is "too big a compromise"? is it features, image quality, ruggedness, lack of certain lenses or something else. For me the big plus of Sony APS-C is that I can use the same lenses on APS-C and FF cameras, only other brand who has that is Leica. So even if there are "better" APS-C cameras out there it would mean getting into two systems/two mounts if you want to be able to use the two formats.

Neither Canon, Nikon, Fuji or Panasonic offer that for mirrorless since they either have only one mirrorless sensor size or use different mounts for their different sensor sizes.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2019 at 16:26
No hate here for a smaller FF camera. I just do not see it happen. None of the composition gives Sony a reason to go that way.

How come Fuji is an option? The XT-3 is the same size as the Sony A7m3. If you want small Sony is your best bet. The Sony APS-C cameras are much smaller then the Fujiís.
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Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:


Well, I think there is a big difference between the expectation of a customer and the promise of a company. I don't think you should confuse one with the other

On a more serious note, what's your problem with APS-C that is "too big a compromise"? is it features, image quality, ruggedness, lack of certain lenses or something else. For me the big plus of Sony APS-C is that I can use the same lenses on APS-C and FF cameras, only other brand who has that is Leica. So even if there are "better" APS-C cameras out there it would mean getting into two systems/two mounts if you want to be able to use the two formats.

Neither Canon, Nikon, Fuji or Panasonic offer that for mirrorless since they either have only one mirrorless sensor size or use different mounts for their different sensor sizes.


I suppose promise was too strong a word if you want to be pedantic, but it was the expectation Sony set even with their marketing at the time.

Lenses is the compromise. There aren't many good lenses on Sony APS-C (especially zooms) that match the ones I have on FF. It would be a serious downgrade.

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:


How come Fuji is an option? The XT-3 is the same size as the Sony A7m3. If you want small Sony is your best bet. The Sony APS-C cameras are much smaller then the Fujiís.


Last time I checked X-T3 wasn't the only fuji body
Even if I go with X-T3 the body is lighter and lenses would be smaller. I am keeping an eye on the Fuji 16-80mm which has been announced but not out yet.
Sony APS-C setup would be lot smaller and I had it a while back. i did enjoy using it but lenses aren't particularly good tbh. Especially after using FE lenses like 24-105mm I wouldn't want to go back to the 16-70mm.
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Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

Sony APS-C setup would be lot smaller and I had it a while back. i did enjoy using it but lenses aren't particularly good tbh. Especially after using FE lenses like 24-105mm I wouldn't want to go back to the 16-70mm.
Well, yes, there are holes - this is one.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

Sony APS-C setup would be lot smaller and I had it a while back. i did enjoy using it but lenses aren't particularly good tbh. Especially after using FE lenses like 24-105mm I wouldn't want to go back to the 16-70mm.
Well, yes, there are holes - this is one.


It's one I'd like plugged if I am to consider any APS-C system.
That focal range easily sorts me out for 80% of everything I shoot on travels.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Aavo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2019 at 17:28
Sorry! My question was probably irritating. I had no idea to do so. Please forgive me.
We just do not know, that Sony and so Canon & Nikon may do. There is just customers wishes and small FF e-mount rangefinder model can be one of there, anyway for me is.
In digital era there has been lot of issues, changing very quickly, even over night.
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