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So "Let The Games Begin".

Personally, I like both the Nikon and Canon body shapes more than Sony A7Riii or A9, but that's always a personal issue.

For the rest, I will wait and see.
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If those adapters truly allow full function with existing lenses at that level then Sony can kiss Canon converts goodbye. Maybe Sony will finally produce a decent A to E mount adapter.
Nikon looks like odd man out right now.
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Itís missing a ton of features like ibis and the FPS are ridiculously low. Actually I consider it a poor release tbh
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Hezu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 September 2018 at 15:09
Originally posted by momech momech wrote:

If those adapters truly allow full function with existing lenses at that level then Sony can kiss Canon converts goodbye.
I don't think this new Canon EOS R can win large numbers of converts back: I know few guys that used to shoot with Canon DSLRs and switched to Sony E mount completely as they find the latest Sony ILC generation far superior than what Canon offers. Those Canon converts that still regularly use EF lenses with adapter on E mount might be more willing to check out Canon's latest offering, although some details of EOS R specs may still prove to be inadequate for some: less resolution than α7R series, single memory card slot, cropped 4K video, slightly larger body and so on...
Originally posted by momech momech wrote:

Maybe Sony will finally produce a decent A to E mount adapter.
Although better adapter for A mount screw-drive AF lenses would be indeed welcome, I have feeling that Sony would prefer that we would replace the old A mount lenses with brand new E mount lenses (if not sticking with A mount bodies). Unfortunately there is no direct replacement for some old classics...
Originally posted by momech momech wrote:

Nikon looks like odd man out right now.
They may still get some converts from Nikon DSLR users, but it seems less likely that Nikon gets converts from other brands.
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In the UK alone it's hard to see how it compares price-wise against the comparable A7III for example?
Also, the IBS stabilization won't be a big turn-off for current Canon users as they have nailed them with their in-lens systems, so if people have a lot of Canon glass it won't be a big issue. It's possibly other aspects of the spec. that might deter some people - and it isn't branded as a 'high level entry' system either as far as I can see?
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Just watched Tony and Chelsea Northrop, Jared Polin (FroKnowsPhoto) and Chris and Jordan (formerly TCSTV now DpReview) and they seem to like it. First win for Canon: they've got a production copy to play with. The Canon camera seems to be a little more adventurous then the Nikon option, but Sony still seems the camera to beat.

In general I feel that Canon did a better PR job then Nikon. Giving people production cameras is one thing. Giving them a couple of days to play with it is another one. We'll see if that makes a difference.

Interesting times, indeed.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 September 2018 at 16:16
Originally posted by owenn01 owenn01 wrote:

In the UK alone it's hard to see how it compares price-wise against the comparable A7III for example?

Harrison Camera has it at £2,349.99 and the A7m3 at £1,999.00.

Also, the IBS stabilization won't be a big turn-off for current Canon users as they have nailed them with their in-lens systems, so if people have a lot of Canon glass it won't be a big issue.
I do not understand this fixation on IBIS recently. Yes, it made sense for Sony because of the people adapting their manual focus lenses and Sony had it in their A-mount cameras. But if your eco-system is build round IS lenses, it doesn't matter really. But then Canon introduced the 28-70/2 without IS....

It's possibly other aspects of the spec. that might deter some people - and it isn't branded as a 'high level entry' system either as far as I can see?
They clearly aim at the enthusiasts with this camera, not the (wanna be) professionals.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote momech Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 September 2018 at 19:07
Originally posted by Hezu Hezu wrote:

Originally posted by momech momech wrote:

If those adapters truly allow full function with existing lenses at that level then Sony can kiss Canon converts goodbye.
I don't think this new Canon EOS R can win large numbers of converts back: I know few guys that used to shoot with Canon DSLRs and switched to Sony E mount completely as they find the latest Sony ILC generation far superior than what Canon offers. Those Canon converts that still regularly use EF lenses with adapter on E mount might be more willing to check out Canon's latest offering, although some details of EOS R specs may still prove to be inadequate for some: less resolution than α7R series, single memory card slot, cropped 4K video, slightly larger body and so on...


Let me rephrase a bit - Sony can probably kiss NEW Canon converts goodbye.
I think most Canon users with a healthy inventory of gear now have plenty of reasons to let Canon play catch up. And with those new lenses even more are on the way.
Sony not supporting even relatively new SSM A mount lenses with an adapter than provides full functionality is, to me at least, extremely short sighted. Frankly, I think they should upgrade their adapters like they upgrade their cameras. Maybe they can't make every new capability work with screw drive lenses, but they certainly could do better if they cared to.
Looks like Canon understands that.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Photosopher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 September 2018 at 19:29
Originally posted by whiteheat whiteheat wrote:


Quite amazing to see such a wide gamut of differing views about it. Also, very amusing to see such over reaction and melodrama over not much of consequence. Pass the popcorn.



This will continue for a long long long time. It may never end.

Reminds me of a guy I know always complaining how EMount can't hold up to AMount. Talk about melodrama.t..i... Oh wait.
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Originally posted by Photosopher Photosopher wrote:

Originally posted by whiteheat whiteheat wrote:


Quite amazing to see such a wide gamut of differing views about it. Also, very amusing to see such over reaction and melodrama over not much of consequence. Pass the popcorn.



This will continue for a long long long time. It may never end.

Reminds me of a guy I know always complaining how EMount can't hold up to AMount. Talk about melodrama.t..i... Oh wait.
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Hereís some of the things I see missing or done poorly
1 poor battery life
2Low pass filter
3. Lack of Eye AF
4 Lack of IBIS
5. May not have various log shootings of sony in video
6. More limited ISO range.
7. No dual card slots
8. Very slow fps
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Originally posted by C_N_RED_AGAIN C_N_RED_AGAIN wrote:

Hereís some of the things I see missing or done poorly
1 poor battery life
2Low pass filter
3. Lack of Eye AF
4 Lack of IBIS
5. May not have various log shootings of sony in video
6. More limited ISO range.
7. No dual card slots
8. Very slow fps

1. Better then Sony A7r2
2. That is intentional, I just today saw moire in video, I guess Canon saw it too
3. It has eye focus (what makes you think it doesn't?)
4. Give you that, as not all lenses have IS
5. It has C-log
6. 50-102400, same as Sony A7r3
7. Yep, I understand why, but still, they could've buried Nikon with dual slots
8. Comparable to the Sony A7r2 (slower with AF-C, faster with AF-S)
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Originally posted by momech momech wrote:

Originally posted by Hezu Hezu wrote:

Originally posted by momech momech wrote:

If those adapters truly allow full function with existing lenses at that level then Sony can kiss Canon converts goodbye.
I don't think this new Canon EOS R can win large numbers of converts back: I know few guys that used to shoot with Canon DSLRs and switched to Sony E mount completely as they find the latest Sony ILC generation far superior than what Canon offers. Those Canon converts that still regularly use EF lenses with adapter on E mount might be more willing to check out Canon's latest offering, although some details of EOS R specs may still prove to be inadequate for some: less resolution than α7R series, single memory card slot, cropped 4K video, slightly larger body and so on...


Let me rephrase a bit - Sony can probably kiss NEW Canon converts goodbye.
I think most Canon users with a healthy inventory of gear now have plenty of reasons to let Canon play catch up. And with those new lenses even more are on the way.
Sony not supporting even relatively new SSM A mount lenses with an adapter than provides full functionality is, to me at least, extremely short sighted. Frankly, I think they should upgrade their adapters like they upgrade their cameras. Maybe they can't make every new capability work with screw drive lenses, but they certainly could do better if they cared to.
Looks like Canon understands that.


Let's see if Sony would be forced to release laea5 :)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote C_N_RED_AGAIN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 September 2018 at 00:14
Addy why are we comparing this camera to the a7rii? Sony has a7riii a9 and a7iii. These Nikon and canon cameras are 2018-2019 releases. Sony a7rii is a 2015 release. And please don't be an apologist and tell me that its pretty good for a first release. Don't think for one second Canon and Nikon engineers didn't have sony cameras in front of them while thiers were in development and tried reverse engineering. I for one expected more from these two. If your satisfied with a camera that costs more but offers less than an a7iii more power to you. Im not married to any brand. If a company offers a superior product I will be all over it. That isn't this instance however.

Btw addy eye af on the canon is in afs only.Much prefer it in afc for obvious reasons.   

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