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    Posted: 14 June 2020 at 12:30
Just in case anyone is considering getting an RX100 (I bought one off eBay on Friday) ... Sony does their amazing: keep all models available new thing, so there are a few options

There are more differences that this, but here is brief summary:

RX100 - original - fixed screen slow 28-100mm lens (f1.8-4.9)
RX100 II - tilt screen, same 28-100mm lens

RX100 III - popup viewfinder - 24-70/1.8-2.8
RX100 IV - adds 4K and faster guts
RX100 V - even faster - more focus points - now 315 phase detect focus points
RX100 VA (minor update to V) - has 'my menu' and new processor

RX100 VI - change to 24-200/2.8-4.5, touchscreen
RX100 VII - silly fast AF and now has mic jack - v. expensive

Vlog ZV-1 - not an RX100 but it is essentially the VA with a side flip screen and a hot shoe, no longer has an EVF, aimed very much at the vloggers ... and is the only 24-70 version with a touchscreen.

The VI is seen, in some respects, as a reaction to the smart phone market which is likely a big competitor to the pocket point-and-shoot. The 200mm long end with a 1" is something the phones cannot match.

NO UBER WIDE - I'm gutted that their isn't a 'Nikon DL'-esq ultra wide RX100 model. It is unlikely but it would be lovely to see a 16mm wide zoom version. But phones do have ultra-wides now and if Sony are pitching RX100 at what the phones cannot do then they may ignore the ultra-wide. Shame.

There are a few people who really love the original (I) and have been buying replacements as spares/backups. But for me the III is where it gets interesting. The EVF and that fast aperture lens.
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I had RX100iii found it rather fiddly and user experience wasn't great so I got rid of it quickly. I currently have LX100ii (upgraded from LX100 original) which is a lot more enjoyable to use.

I previously also had RX1Rii briefly and really like it. But £2K was a lot of money locked up for it. So I ended up selling it.

But currently A6600 is going for £864 so I am really tempted to sell LX100ii for it.
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I was originally planning on getting a NEW RX100 III (£379 in the UK and one store does it at that price with Sony's stick-on grip and faux-leather case, both of which I would sell to drop the price even further). But the store I favor was out of stock. So I started looking around, ended up on eBay and found a couple of RX100 IV used for £350-400. There are a lot of RX100 on eBay. Some battered and bruised and scuffed. Some look immaculate. Thank the smartphone popularity for the gems out there!

The IV is £550 new at the moment in some stores. So £350-400 is a fair saving. The one I bought has 'about 300 shots taken' which I'll check when it arrives (I think I can?). Either way it looks to be in super condition and the seller had some other camera gear listed.

The IV isn't available new everywhere but you can track it down. Most stores still do the III and VA and the VI and VII (and will get the ZV-1 soon).

I had overlooked the IV as I was aiming for the III and didn't want to pay the VA price (planning to buy new). But I was stuck in the III or VA dilema. I want/ed the VA but wasn't looking to drop that much coin unseen. A check of the specs and a rewind to some old YouTubes from trusted sources shows the IV is quite a step up from the III.

Even though III is a good deal, the IV is better. And I prefer to buy cameras NEW but happy to buy used lenses. This is the first used camera I've bought in over a decade.

The VA is £700 NEW. There is a cashback deal on at the mo to take it to £600. But it is a lot of money for a camera I'm not 100% certain I want to keep long term, this is why I went for a used one, if I don't like it I can sell it for around the price I paid and it has only cost me a chunk of eBay fees. And it is a lot of money for a compact. The VII is about £1000. My main camera, Panasonic GX9, cost me £400 new so I was uncomfortable with even £600-700 for a 'compact'.

My original plan to buy the III new was to see if I liked it. And if I liked it a lot then I would get a new Va and sell the III after 6 months use. Now I've found a IV I'm much less likely to want the VA and more likely to just keep it if I love it.

My brief affair with Fujifilm (XE3 and X100F) told me that I can live without touchscreen (X100F) and I even disabled it on the XE3. But a fixed screen is something I just cannot cope with anymore. So, this helped with the RX100 III (or Va decision) since neither are touch. And I wanted the f1.8-2.8 lens.

Having spent a decade or more with m43 and every camera having a touchscreen it is something I have adopted for focus point selection but not used for anything else. My previous Panasonic was a G85 and I used that with the screen tucked away closed most the time but found it very useful for odd positioning. That said I strugged with it being a side flipper and wanted the GX9/RX100 style screen.

The VI is about £850 new here (£750 briefly during cashback) but can be found in excellent condition on eBay for £550. So again is a nice saving.

A general eBay awareness note - one seller has a load of bike parts - so you can see they are a keen mountain biker - and their history shows no camera gear. Do you want to buy a used 'pocket' compact camera from a dirty biker or from a photographer? It pays to rummage around in 'other items' and 'completed' for each seller.
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Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

I had RX100iii found it rather fiddly and user experience wasn't great so I got rid of it quickly. I currently have LX100ii (upgraded from LX100 original) which is a lot more enjoyable to use.

I previously also had RX1Rii briefly and really like it. But £2K was a lot of money locked up for it. So I ended up selling it.

But currently A6600 is going for £864 so I am really tempted to sell LX100ii for it.


Yep, I had a Canon G9 X II for a while a few years ago ... I found it to be too small to use. It is the smallest of the 1" compacts. I treated it as a 28mm f2 and ignore the slow end of the zoom - didn't take a single frame at anything other than '28mm'. But way back in 2008/9 I had a Canon G something that I'd pocket for my walk-to-work-commute and I used it loads. Different interface but not pocketable.

So - that is my greatest uncertainty with the incoming RX100. Is it too small and fiddly. The Canon G5 X II gets rave reviews as being a nicer handling experience. But it is pricey (£800 I think).

I really enjoy the shape of my GX9 (similar idea to the NEX/A600000 models) with the corner 'range-finder-position' EVF.

I'll admit that my desire for the RX100 is as much to see how it compares to my m43 GX9. Also 20mp. But also since lockdown I've been walking as my one permitted outdoor trip per day (we are allowed out more often now). But I've NOT taken my camera with me as I should be out for exercise. Since they started allowing outdoor sports I grabbed my little camera bag (mainly just GX9 + Leica 24-60/2.8-4) for a couple of walks. But I've got used to my 2-3 hour daily walk without a bag at all.

Even if the RX100 ends up being just a covid 2020/2021 pocket camera I'll be happy. That did factor into my decision to buy used as I can view it as long term rental without the new/used price drop. I'll either re-sell it after 3 months or keep it as a daily pocket camera for the long term.
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Just to throw in my 2c:

I had an RX100 IV for about a year, bought new.
I liked the size and weight, but I soon started to hate the quality of the RAW files - which were so inferior compared to the files of my old A6000 files that I sold it. I found the LX100ii to be a very interesting alternative (larger sensor!) but it has no articulated screen.

I am still wondering whether to get a really pocketable fixed lens camera. But currently I am at a loss: I just do not see anything that would fit my needs. Maybe the Ricoh GR III comes closest (but again; fixed screen). But I will defintiely upgrade to an A6500/6600 sooner or later.
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Nice thing about the RX100 series is that they are truly pocketable. I think it is quite easy to navigate these cameras:
Bargain: RX100
Basic: RX100 III
Best focus: RX100 V (Va)
Best reach: RX100 VI
Latest greatest: RX100 VII
Choose your poison and your budget.

I went a different route. I was unsure if I liked the 1" sensor, therefore I went with the Canon G1x III. Nice APS-C sensor, a 24-70 lens and small enough to fit in a coat pocket. These are really nice cameras, but the press on them was not that good (it seems reviewers did not think an APS-C compact is as sexy as a 1" compact or a cropped 3/4 sensor compact). Since then I added a Ricoh GR3 to fit in my trouser pocket.

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waaaaaaaaay back in the late 1990s I owned two cameras, two lenses:
- Canon 50E (aka Elan II E I think?) with 50/1.4
- Ricoh GR <<< the very first one, the film one

The Ricoh GR was my 28mm lens. It just happened to have a camera attached to it. The lens on that thing was shocking good. So much that I didn't even consider an AF wide angle. This was shortly after my move from MF to AF. And that camera lived in my pocket.

mmm, this may explain my often two-camera approach today.

I did consider the Ricoh GR III too - IBIS now and a touch screen too. But having tried two fixed screen fujifilm I struggle every day with not being able to flip it even though the majority of my shots were through the EVF/OVFs I would almost always see something that needed a flippy screen. I would just point them in the vague direction and hope (not very good).

With Panasonic I get flippy and touch ... but I could live without touch even though Pan have it nailed!

In some respects the RX100 IV will also be a tester for me to see if I could go to a Ricoh GR III (or IV in the future?). Now Fujifilm has put a flippy on the X100V we can guess that GR IV might well get a flippy and X100 VI might get IBIS ... the X100V being water resistant and finally having a decent lens also made it an option. But pricey.

I'm keen to see how much time I spend at 24mm f2(ish) on the RX100 and how much I zoom. So I can pretend it is a GR III for style/limitation as a trial. I think the £800 asking price on the GR III is great too (dropped briefly while I was on-line window-shopping which didn't help any!!).

Thank you @waldo for the note on the RAW files. I'll take a special look. I'm not afraid of noise and am about to convert to Affinity Photo for processing so I'll have new sensor and new tools to see how I like it. But I also like to venture away from true real-world colors.

The LX100 (sort of m43) and I think LX15 were also on my list, but I want something pocketable. I did consider just getting the Canon G9x II again since my needs have changed and it is the smallest of the 1" bodies. But no flippy.

It is a great shame the G1X (III?) got bad press - I can remember being pretty wowed by the spec when it launched. Especially the size and range. Dust and Water resistant too. Skipping the details of equivalent apertures (2.8-5.6 on APS - vs - 1.8-2.8 on 1") is gonna be pretty similar. Having some form of weather resistance could mean it is a permanent shoulder camera rather than a pocket. And Canon know how to go menus and UI.

My GX9 + 12-60/2.8-4 is my main camera and I'm really liking the completeness of it as an 'all in one'. I feared the big lens would not balance well but it does. And both camera and lens are metal too - feels like a real camera. My previous G80 (G85) was solid but the GX9 is a step up. I only got the 14/20 primes to remind myself what they were like, they did afterall define the system early on, and to see if they can cope with the latest 20mp sensor. And the 25/1.7 was free with my new GX9. Don't intend to keep any of those primes though but will compare them to the 12-60 and the RX100 one day.
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Since this is Dyxum ... yes I did consider a NEX/a60000000 with Zeiss 16-80/4 when I was shopping for my Leica 12-60/2.8-4 to put on my GX9. A very similar shape. And the same 24-120mm view.

Ultimately a couple of things stopped me getting the NEX - the lack of exciting small primes (designed for APS) and the price of the latest bodies. I got lucky in timing as the Panasonic GX9 is getting old so is at it's lowest price. But even on the very well developed m43 set of lenses from Olympus and Panasonic there are hurdles. Some over-priced and some gaps. I've grown used to lenses being excellent wide open now. And I know that the fujifilm primes, while they look pretty need to be stopped down (so the aperture aren't really all useable).   Small sensor benefit there.

Now, if you only want one lens and they make it then the rest of the line-up is irrelevant really.

I did find lots of nice options for an A7II kit though ... out of price range at the moment though.
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My 2p. Considered all the options when I decided I had to have a real pocketable (Sony) camera a couple of years ago, and my experience with the lack of viewfinder on the NEX-5 drew me to the iii.

I really like it, idiosyncratic features and all, and try to have it with me all the time. I even bought the grip/tripod on a whim but donít use it much tbh.

The longer reach of the later models would be nice but vfm I think the mk3 is one of the best options.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 2manycamera Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 June 2020 at 17:10
I like the version II because it gives me the tilt screen and a flash shoe. There are many time I match this with the F20M flash for daylight fill and close-up interior shots with the flash in bounce mode. The combo is still very small and goes whenever I don't feel like carrying something larger, but refuse to rely on a phone camera. The F20M has plenty of power in shorter distances and covers the wide end with no fall off.

As someone who is 95% a stills shooter, much of my 5% video usage is done on the RX100. Because of the multi-function shoe, I have been able to use the sony ECM-GZ1M microphone for improved sound quality. While not intended for the RX100, it does deliver superior sound over the built in mike.

I've pimped out the camera as much as possible with the added grip, LCD cover, filter attachment, Peak Design hand strap and a Manfrotto Pixie Plus mini tripod/grip. OK, not so small anymore, but still fits in a small shoulder bag that weighs about the same as the a6600 and one Sigma 1.4 prime!

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@bonne - yep, that is the main driver for the purchase - I want something (anything other than my phone) with me at all times. When I had my Canon G9XII I worn jeans and it was not a good pocket fit. Now wear baggy cargo pants (trousers brits, calm down!) and there should be ample room!

I'm ready for it to be an inital challenge to use but happy to adapt. My modes and way of shooting would be different. I rarely menu dive any camera anyway.
I'm so used to a touch screen that that will probably be the hardest thing to change.

If my fave shop had the III in stock then I would have taken it. While the IV has 4k video (which I don't need) and a better res EVF those things are just bonus! I have taken a few 7s or 11s video clips on my phone of things during my coastal walk so I am looking to dabble in a tiny bit of very short video (totally new world to me!).

@2many - I forgot about the hotshoe on the II - I knew there was another specific 'one version only' thing it had. It might be that model that I've seen dpr commenters mention they re-buy and favor when I was searching for model differences.

I have also been looking at the 'smallcage' or might hunt out a smaller hand-grip that screws into the base. I specifically wanted a used RX100 WITHOUT the stick-on grip - I want to try it without first. I'd be using it with a hand-strap as I've used them exclusively for about a decade.

A LOT of the used ones have the Sony stick-on grip. And lack of grip looks to be a common complaint to. There are also several eBay ads with cameras with 4-5 batteries! So, I've bookmarked an external charger and 2 battery bundle in prep for that need.
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I do like a good YT review and my favourite for the RX100 was this one from Maarten Heilbron. Everything he said is true and it works for me.
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Originally posted by bonneville bonneville wrote:

I do like a good YT review and my favourite for the RX100 was this one from Maarten Heilbron. Everything he said is true and it works for me.


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For me the RX 100 range are grotesquely overpriced childrens toys. I'm not a Canon fanboy but Canon really know how to make pocket cameras - Sony took a long time to catch up with them and the result is fiddly and breakable. Full marks for cleverness, but very few for engineering quality. Pansonics are much better in almost every respect, especially if you do real photography.
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