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Originally posted by angora angora wrote:





point > shoot > 1/60s   



I like it

And your 'the making of' reportage too.
I haven't seen the movie yet
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote angora Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 October 2021 at 15:53
THX Fred! I like the way his head matches the car. -or how the car matches his head?- on a running scooter/moped with a camera around my neck, when all of a sudden this car showed up -from the past!-. (remember those yellow french headlights at night?). he was not racing, but all I could do was point & shoot. with a camera in A-mode. seen all kinds of light that day, but this was not my favourite. ;)).

haven't seen the movie either. no Netflix here.
it will be broadcasted on tv by the EO! (!)


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Originally posted by floydbloke floydbloke wrote:

Yes!!!!

Finally. I've been waiting for this release for a long time. As a born and bred Vlissinger living in New Zealand this is pretty damn exciting.
(Although it's 6.30 am on Friday here and it's not available yet, what's going on Netflix ?? )

Thanks to all those who have posted photos, it adds nicely to the excitement and anticipation.

glad to be the messenger! (brought to us as 'news' here). but don't get overexcited pls? as you know Vlissingen was hit by 88 bombs, then flooded. they'll show you the St. Jacobs church and its direct vicinity. (a number of film locations are mentioned on Netflix, but they also filmed in -the province of- Friesland. and in Lithuania indeed.


please tell us how you liked it?
(they said people left the movie theatre crying -dutch- ).
btw- did you see this ? + comments? is the real story.




'know' that boy btw- and not the only one here.
he and his brother are filmmakers: Sony!




had some serious doubts, while watching that movie-in-the-making.
and also- what strikes me is that, after 4 1/2 years of war, everybody looks so clean, ironed and spotless, smelling like violets. the soldiers may have tomato paste smeared onto their faces, but their hair looks clean and their clothing spotless. trucks may have streaks of mud on them, but the undercarriages, tires were clean, the windows shiny.
the fashion director outdid himself- lots of variety, total lack of uniformity in uniforms. the guy who owns the Kübelwagen, (found it on a french farm), and BMW motorbike, confirmed those were not historically accurate, nor were the colours on many of the vehicles. shame, when making a movie that pricey. but, by the looks of it, the postwork people made up for that and did a fa-bu-lous job!
not to mention the boys with the pricey lenses and their massive black 'reflection screens', to create -whattheycalled- 'negative light'!

pics at random (happen to have many), but regret that I didn't rush home to get a longer lens when I had found them, but bumped into a fence. (nm that it was COLD! ;)) and regret I behaved and stayed in the back when we finally had found the set. the press people, invited to the set, came home with very nice pics! in retrospect, it could have been a rather unique experience.






they did leave us a souvenir. a 'new' electrical bakery on the corner of the Kerkstraat and Oude Markt,
across from the Flushing St. Jacobs church, filled with props.






(obviously there was a bakery, named Schoenmakers, there in 1944. although not 'electrical').

















and employees...






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Originally posted by angora angora wrote:



glad to be the messenger! (brought to us as 'news' here). but don't get overexcited pls? as you know Vlissingen was hit by 88 bombs, then flooded. they'll show you the St. Jacobs church and its direct vicinity. (a number of film locations are mentioned on Netflix, but they also filmed in -the province of- Friesland. and in Lithuania indeed.


please tell us how you liked it?
(they said people left the movie theatre crying -dutch- ).
btw- did you see this ? + comments? is the real story.



Thoroughly enjoyed that. As you mention, not a lot of recognisable scenery but knowing it is set and partially shot in and Vlissingen does make it special for me.

Thanks for youtube docco link also, I had watched that. Given the significance of this battle, I still don't understand why they taught us nothing about this at school in the 70's. I didn't know much about it at all until recent years.
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TY Floyd!
looking at my pics in disbelief- this is supposed to depict a 1944 bakery. imagine, after 4 1/2 years, the war is coming to an end. and what are they selling?
cakes! pastries! cookies! and loafs of bread. do you believe that?

I only know about 'war diets' in Gouda (and West-Friesland) and a little about what it was like in Vlissingen for the very few! people that stayed put (most Vlissingers had left to seek refuge -from bombs / water- elsewhere). both not really bad, and Vlissingen was liberated before the infamous hunger winter. (most famous story is that the dutch ate tulip bulbs to survive, how typical is that? recipes! ;) -dutch- ).

for food supply farmers, both on Walcheren and in the vicinity of Gouda, were crucial. although my ma (from Gouda) told about the masses of people passing by, along 'de vaart', with strollers and all kinds of vehicles, in desperate search of food during the winter of 1944-'45. (while grandpa, who knew farmers, went 'shopping' on his bike, had 'invented' a device to hide food in the legs of his trousers. believe his bike, he was not allowed to have kept, had wooden 'tires'. once chased by germans because of that bike, but managed to drive it right into the massive toilet inside a friend's house, just in time). she also told stories about other farmers, who would ask f 1.200 guilders for 1 loaf of bread. or traded family's jewellery / silverware / linen for just a bit of food. towards the end of the war -in Gouda-, there were food droppings, like -heavenly tasting (just quoting ;)) - white bread from Sweden.
long story 'short': it wasn't raining pastries.   



1944- Nolle dyke breached
© Henning- once a well-known Flushing photographer






as for Flushing stories- there were farmers -on Walcheren and Beveland-, and fishermen. and seafood? and often emergency slaughter (of lethally wounded farm animals). but also more luxurious supplies, the kids stole (from the germans! ).

think I'm a tad older than you, but also in the 70s- not a word about it at school! it wasn't until the early 90s, when limited editions of booklets on local history appeared in the bookstores, new topic every month (or every couple of months?), that we learned a bit more, but 'the battle' was not covered. it wasn't until much, much later, internet era, that more docu's were released. like inundation -subtitled, 4 episodes- and Battle of the Scheldt -numerous episodes, dutch, but lots of footage-, etc., etcetera.
not long ago, I stumbled upon a book (in a thrift store), I had read in the early 90s -and reread-, on the memories on a childhood in Vlissingen during the war. revealing so many details, never heard of before. or later.
we knew that Walcheren was part of the Atlantik Wall, the number of bunkers still present is insane. (had 1 of my own, playground next door, while growing up -at the boulevard-). call me daft- but never given it much thought, suppose we were used to bunkers? do you remember the bunker at the end of the Nolle dyke ? ;)



kaboom!





as mentioned to someone recently- we were taught that Rotterdam was the city that endured the most. and it showed... nothing old remained. it was gruesome, so many casualties, the center swept away. but not entirely true.
not too long ago, I learned that at least 144 'important' and beautiful buildings survived the 13 minutes long intimidation bombardment, they just didn't survive the plans.
'new Rotterdam' became the architectural dream, the old stuff redundant, obstacles, demolished. up to this day a 'mysterious' -as they call it- list !

quote: < "bombs are actually the urban planners' best friends. as soon as the sirens stopped, they appeared as vultures above the plains." >
the men in charge, eager to design R'dam 2.0, literally said they didn't need 'Middelburg facades and stepped gables' along the Haringvliet (water).
(M'burg! not Amsterdam. but also M'burg used to be an impressive city before the war).
the people who had to clear the debris, had instructions to clear the entire area, to demolish e-ve-ry-thing that was left.
now they speak of a criminal act. but no common knowledge, and it seems some like to keep it that way.
did you know that?




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@Floyd- about a sense of longing- perhaps it wouldn't help much to visit a city, you know your way around, so well, to find it no longer excists.





remember Vlissingen?





(100th anniversary of shipyard 'de Schelde'- must have been in 1975)
showing btw the heart of the city, the very center



 



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is it true that in 'the forgotten battle' (movie on Netflix) the Germans flooded the island?
(see 1st comment)






september 5- went bee hunting ;)













across from what's left of 'GRAND! hotel Britannia'








and a mysterious dirt pile...




-to be continued?-

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Post Options Post Options   Quote floydbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 October 2021 at 17:58
Originally posted by angora angora wrote:

@Floyd- about a sense of longing- perhaps it wouldn't help much to visit a city, you know your way around, so well, to find it no longer excists.





That's certainly the cityscape I remember. The cranes visible from pretty much anywhere in the city and the tallest building on the Boulevard was hotel Brittania. I left in 1981 and have been back only a handful of times since, in the early 90s and my last time back was in 2007. Significant changes both times and I'm sure it continues. Can't stop progress I guess and, echoing a somewhat xenophobic sounding lyric in Pink Floyd's The Post War Dream, De Schelde was probably never going to be able to compete with Japanese industrial efficiency of the 80's
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Originally posted by angora angora wrote:

is it true that in 'the forgotten battle' (movie on Netflix) the Germans flooded the island?
(see 1st comment)
Nope, the allied bombed the dykes to push out the Germans: wikipedia: Inundation of Walcheren
Though the Germans also inundated parts of Zeeland, most of the flooding of Walcheren was because of these allied bombings.
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hi guys, hope you're all having a wonderful Christmastide!
it has been a while... (not entirely voluntarily).



lovely Addy! THX for showing the more surprising route through the ancient Kuiperspoort!
once home to the local 17h century coopers' guild. the gate building dates from 1586.
(peek inside one of the 'newer' monumental houses, anno 1700?
holiday let material? ). hope you enjoyed your stay! despite all corona measures.


had a hunch Floyd was somehow relating to Pink Floyd. (happen to have more names? ;)).
(you know 'this', don't you? entrance fee was 6 guilders.
https://www.pinkfloydfans.nl/pink-floyd-in-nederland/pink-floyd-in-vlissingen-1968/
~ hehe ;))

@Floyd- 'Progress'? afaik, de Schelde was not competing- interest shifted, shipyard moved
to Scheldepoort, Vlissingen-Oost and became merely dedicated to naval shipbuilding? and repairs.

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Originally posted by angora angora wrote:


had a hunch Floyd was somehow relating to Pink Floyd. (happen to have more names? ;)).
(you know 'this', don't you? entrance fee was 6 guilders.
https://www.pinkfloydfans.nl/pink-floyd-in-nederland/pink-floyd-in-vlissingen-1968/
~ hehe ;))

Wow, thank you. I did not know that. I wasn't even 3 years old so not quite able to appreciate it yet.



Originally posted by angora angora wrote:


@Floyd- 'Progress'? afaik, de Schelde was not competing- interest shifted, shipyard moved
to Scheldepoort, Vlissingen-Oost and became merely dedicated to naval shipbuilding? and repairs.

Sorry, I didn't really research it. I just pretty much assumed that shipbuilding in Europe around that time was no longer viable or at least as profitable as in other parts of the world and that that was the Schelde's demise.
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Aways a pleasure to dip into and follow this thread.

Watched 'The Forgotten Battle'. Brilliant - such an authentic and graphic depiction of the ferocious Battle of the Scheldt which liberated that part of the Netherlands and opened up the port of Antwerp to the Allies. So well recreated, and subtle in its depiction of the individuals in the key roles. The woven story lines around the key characters are superbly created and acted. It all felt very real, and gut wrenching.
Thanks to Ine for drawing our attention to it.

Anyone with access to Netflix should stream it.
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Originally posted by Jozioau Jozioau wrote:

Aways a pleasure to dip into and follow this thread.

Watched 'The Forgotten Battle'. Brilliant - such an authentic and graphic depiction of the ferocious Battle of the Scheldt which liberated that part of the Netherlands and opened up the port of Antwerp to the Allies. So well recreated, and subtle in its depiction of the individuals in the key roles. The woven story lines around the key characters are superbly created and acted. It all felt very real, and gut wrenching.
Thanks to Ine for drawing our attention to it.

Anyone with access to Netflix should stream it.






always a pleasure to 'see' you, Joe! and TY!! very much appreciated!
also- TY Addy, (we know who blew up the dykes), but refering to a puzzling comment,
wondering if the facts were 'creatively' altered in the movie?

on Christmas Eve, the film 'Slag om de Schelde' / 'forgotten battle' was broadcasted on national tv.
gorgeous lenses and emotions captured wonderfully, an excellent job!
if this was meant to clarify what the forgotten battle was about however... ?
it would have become even more of an enigma to me?
(forgive me pls? -plenty of footage from 1944 available- ).
focusing narrowly, mostly on the (Sloe)dam and on the characters, skipping the broader context-
the true horror of war, the massive operations -all over the place-, a drowning island, the landings
and fierce fighting.


< veterans insist that it was worse than the blackest days of Normandy >

< in fighting described by one survivor as 'worse than Dieppe and D-Day put together' >

https://www.combinedops.com/Walcheren.htm

and again...
< Most contemporary books on the History of World War Two, do not even mention Walcheren in their indexes ! >
~ Basil Woolf- petty officer CMX 116402, survivor


such a brutal war.





but absolutely agree with Joe that it is an enjoyable movie, well worth a watch!

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