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    Posted: 03 June 2020 at 18:31
I recently decided that a gradual ND filter might get occasional use. Rather than spend big bucks on top quality Lee or similar filters I decided to see how I get on with some Cokin P filters (ND2, 4 & 8) - via ebay for peanuts.

While looking for them I was reminded of the vast range of fiters Cokin make/made many of which are pretty redundant in the days of digital PP - so I wondered if there were others apart from gradual ND that are still useful/fun in this day and age? Suggestions please (A, P or whatever).
 



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I still find use for the standard (non-graduated) ND filters as well as the circular polarizer. They spend a lot of time on my tilt-shift lens when shooting waterfalls.

I also have a magenta filter that I have used for sunrises and sunsets, and a graduated blue enhancer for adding a pop of color to the sky. Although these are effects you can do in PP as well, I just like to get a feel for how it will look in camera instead of waiting to download and process the image and apply the filter then. There is just something relaxing about the process for me that's hard to explain.
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I use ND filters , ND grads , polariser and infrared ( used with Rollei Infrared film , one of my favourite films ) and contrast control filters ( red , yellow etc ) for B&W film in Cokin A,P & Z .

Shooting almost as much film as digital in 135 , 120 and large format , they get quite a bit of use .

Hi-tech make very good , neutral coloured ND's & grads .
They were much better than Cokin ND's who often had a magenta cast .
All my Cokin P size ND& Grads are hi-tech , as there used on colour film and digital .
I've recently got a full set of A sized hitech NDs & grads
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The Z-pro size are all Cokin , used on large format and some medium format lenses usually with B&W film .
These new cokin NDs don't seem to have the same cast as the ones I used to have ( 20+ years ago ) .

I also have some skylight and warm-up filters for when I occasionally use colour film .

( I also have some of the cheesy naff ones they did/do that we won't talk about !
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If you can get them for an acceptable price - here is my Cokin fun filter list (sorted from serious to crazy):

- graduated color filters - 120-133, 660-671
- color polarizers/varicolor filter (e.g. blue, red, yellow, orange-purple, redhancer) - 161, 162, 163, 170, 171, 172, 173
- stars - 055, 056, 057
- center spot - 060-078
- multi-images - 201, 202, 203, 204
- split-field - 111, 112, 113
- multi-parallel - 209
- dreams - 091, 092, 093
- mirage - 220
- speed - 216
- super-speed -217
- diffractors - 040, 042, 042

As to seriousness: I have just bought a set of red, yellow, blue and green filters for BW-photography with film.
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I've kept about a dozen Cokin filters for goofing around purposes. Not too long ago I used red, green, and blue ones to shoot three versions of a scene with an A77, and later combined them to create a full color result. Worked pretty well.
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Thanks for the input/suggestions (Harald - special thanks for going to the trouble of a detailed list, very useful; Neil - the cheesy ones are just what I'm interested in).

I rarely shoot film these days so, apart from ND grads it's the special effects that I'm most interested in.

I do have ND sets for my main filter sizes, but a couple of Cokins (or Hi-Tech, Lee) for other lenses makes sense.

I suspect the Cokin grads I have on order the post will be the magenta cast variety (three for £5 - what else can I expect?) but they will do to practice with. I will upgrade to something better if (when?) I feel the need.

Anyone using reverse grads? There seems to be a great variation in these.
 



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If the ones your buying are three for £5 new , then they'll not be Cokin , but "Cokin fit " is , 85mm wide .
Cheap Chinese knock offs .
If so , a bugger issue with them us they probably won't be a good flat optical grade material .
Imaged degradation is likely to happen .

You'll find out soon enough .

If so , but you still like what they do , you can then decide on which to get of better quality .

The reverse ND is usually used for sunsets ( or for those that get up in the morning , a sunrise! )

You get some detail if the horizon , but still get detail in the sky as the ND part fades out .
The bottom is clear , to still get detail of the land .

I have one in P size , in tempted by one on Z-pro size , but at about £100 , in resisting paying up for one .

Whether you need one , you'll have to decide .
With modern cameras doing auto HDR , or bracket you shots and merge them on a PC , with digital you have other options to one .
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Originally posted by neilt3 neilt3 wrote:

If the ones your buying are three for £5 new , then they'll not be Cokin , but "Cokin fit " is , 85mm wide .


They are Cokin as far as I can tell (two grads - 121 ND8 & 121M ND4 and an ND - 153 ND4), but not new.

Originally posted by neilt3 neilt3 wrote:

The reverse ND is usually used for sunsets ( or for those that get up in the morning , a sunrise! )

You get some detail if the horizon , but still get detail in the sky as the ND part fades out .
The bottom is clear , to still get detail of the land .

I have one in P size , in tempted by one on Z-pro size , but at about £100 , in resisting paying up for one .

Whether you need one , you'll have to decide .
With modern cameras doing auto HDR , or bracket you shots and merge them on a PC , with digital you have other options to one .


I'm very much a sunset chap, seriously allergic to morning.

So much of what filters do can be done in PP, but it all takes time - I guess the hope is to reduce PP by using grads. The price of any of the better filters is a serious disincentive to their use.
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Just to add to the other side of the argument, I really dislike square filters and especially ND grads and especially crap cheap ones with colour cast, loss in details, flaring etc which will become hard to fix with endless adjustments and you still are never quite happy with it. The colour cast from a ND filter is easier to fix since its an even cast but ND grads are even more annoying.

They are fiddly, take too much time and you will inevitably drop them (hurts if you buy good expensive ones to avoid the issues above ).

The sensors these days are rather good and have a really good amount of dynamic range. 3-4 stops is easy, I'd argue why you even need ND grads for this. For 5+ stops bracketing and HDR is better and cleaner than ND grads.
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I'm like most of the other responders - ND grads, NDs and CPol.
I also tried the reverse grads - -Hi Tech IIRC - and found them a waste of time and money. Just too difficult to get everything lined up for me.
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I have pretty much the same list as Harald in Cokin A. About half of them I bought in 1983 when I bought my first SLR and added to the set when film accessories became so cheap. They are a lot more fun now with digital because you don't worry about wasting film.
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take your pick?

https://www.intro2020.co.uk/EmbeddedContent/Brands/Cokin/Downloads/cokin_brochure_2018.pdf

https://static.bhphotovideo.com/FrameWork/Product_Resources/SourceBook35mm/04cokinFilters.pdf

and of course
https://cokin.com/en/13-filters

(there are more promising links -I'm not sure I dare to click on-
https://www.zeelandnet.nl/google/index.php?q=cokin+brochure )

we had these in our former lives.   


what about image quality?
(in comparison with Lee, Singh Ray, NiSi?).
Lee ND filter(s) were wishlisted here lightyears ago, and the only reason why I haven't bought 1 -for starters- yet, is because I simply refuse to pay that kind of money for the holder! (intend to use ND seriously, for a change). rumour went Lee filters fit Cokin P holders!


a bag filled with Cokin filters here, mostly A. and even a Cokin Creative Flash. (and a prism).
loved the system because I used to take lots of double exposure pics and they had this handy black device to block part of an image. worked like a charm.
also used to drag along a blue filter, when shooting scenes with festive indoor lighting on daylight film, and it could easily be combined with a star filter (subjects were people).
many fun FX in a pre-PS era. apart from the average ones- the grads + coloured filters for B&W. brings back lots of memories.

advantage of the system was that it fitted every lens, because some filters, like the linear AND later circular polarizers, were by no means cheap (MHO). while an adapter ring would set you back approx. f10.
downside was that 'sliding' round filters into the holder or worse, pulling them out, could be tricky, esp. with multiple filters. changing an adapter ring a dramatic experience. ;-)
(perhaps Lee holders are more rigid, i.e. 'better'?).

good luck!
hope you'll keep us posted!

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If your not happy with the quality of the Cokin P holders , get the Hi-tech 85 holders .
There a far better , sturdier quality .
They have an aluminium back and you can alter how many rails they have depending how many filters you use .

The downside to them is if you use the Cokin polariser as they don't have the recess for it .
Likewise the newer type infrared filters , which also sit in the same spot , preventing light leaks like the old square ones did.


Worth looking into if you only use the square or rectangular filters .
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TYSM! very much appreciated!
I can live (fighting) with Cokin holders, but should I finally buy Lee filter(s), I would very much like to keep them in one piece?
(still think the price for a Lee holder is outrageous).

I would be perfectly happy with a very THIN screw on 77mm ND filter, but 'one size fits all' could come in handy?! and combis too. and could avoid vignetting?
in our former lives we had to stack filters, because of limitations?

to answer the Q - occasionally used the star filter with Sony cameras, when I 'couldn't' or wouldn't stop down.
(but found 2 screw-on 55mm star filters later for E 6.95 each, much easier). and dug up the prism. (but have loads of crystals that act as prisms as well).
planned to use the old grads. (and used IR filters, other brand though).
split field is fun.

Q?
modern times, modern stuff?
saw that Cokin has developed lots of new stuff this century.
has anyone tried any of those? a different 'league'?

Harald (and Kathi?) mentioned the dream- and center-spot filters.
(none of those here. other than vaseline on an old UV filter, stockings, leaves, etcetera). are they worth buying?

has any of you tried variable ND filters?
sounds like 'ten times nothing' (dutch expression), but would be happy to hear they work fine!
THX? ;-)

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