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Talking with someone at work who has built systems, he helped put together this spec sheet:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/fFyJHx

It's got 120GB SSD for the OS and a traditional disk for storage. We did include a moderate graphics card for where that can help and also any light gaming. I'm wondering the SSD should be larger...not sure the footprint for windows 8.1 or 10.

Any thoughts on how this spec looks for hobbyist use of LR, CS6, and premiere elements for HD video editing?

I think I should look at the cost of business computer + upgrades vs build complete. Probably more competitive.
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120GB SSD should be fine.

My Windows 8.1 installation (with lots of photo editing programs, video editor, CorelDraw suite, CAD programs and MS office) takes up 57GB.

I've moved all my data storage to whirly discs, except for a small (~40GB) partition on the SSD for Photoshop to use.


Windows 8.1 and the SSD was a revelation - from turning the mains on at the wall to being able to use the computer takes between 10 and 15 seconds.
My old Core-Duo Vista machine has been relegated to the workshop : the laser is fully initialised and ready to go long before the PC has finished booting.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Octupi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 May 2015 at 16:45
For the cost I'd put a 256gb SSD in it.

I tend to game so a bigger GPU is needed for me and no less than 16gb RAM, which you have. I currently have almost 1TB used of my 2TB storage drive. Might want to up that size, again, not a big cost increase.
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I would use a GTX 960 video card.
I'd upgrade the SSD to at least 240gb/250gb.
Is there any reason that you are using a Micro ATX motherboard and case?
With hard drives relatively cheap again, I'd go with a Toshiba 3TB 7200 rpm drive (boxed version).
Sixteen gigs is enough. But for light gaming, you may want more air flow (larger case). With a larger case, you can a better motherboard.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote TheEmrys Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 May 2015 at 17:24
Originally posted by chuck1856 chuck1856 wrote:

Talking with someone at work who has built systems, he helped put together this spec sheet:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/fFyJHx

It's got 120GB SSD for the OS and a traditional disk for storage. We did include a moderate graphics card for where that can help and also any light gaming. I'm wondering the SSD should be larger...not sure the footprint for windows 8.1 or 10.

Any thoughts on how this spec looks for hobbyist use of LR, CS6, and premiere elements for HD video editing?

I think I should look at the cost of business computer + upgrades vs build complete. Probably more competitive.


With prices as they are, get a bigger SSD. They are getting so very cheap.

Do not get single sticks of RAM. Buying a matched pair is the way to go.

Too much video card. Go for the R260 2GB. High resolution and the OpenCL power you could need. The difference in the two in non-gaming performance is negligible, but the price is enough to matter.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote TheEmrys Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 May 2015 at 17:25
Originally posted by Almazar80 Almazar80 wrote:

I would use a GTX 960 video card.
I'd upgrade the SSD to at least 240gb/250gb.
Is there any reason that you are using a Micro ATX motherboard and case?
With hard drives relatively cheap again, I'd go with a Toshiba 3TB 7200 rpm drive (boxed version).
Sixteen gigs is enough. But for light gaming, you may want more air flow (larger case). With a larger case, you can a better motherboard.




Way, waytoo much video card. And it has the nvidia color bug.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Octupi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 May 2015 at 18:41
Color profile your monitor and then you have no color issue.

No such thing as to much video card. :)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Cliff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 May 2015 at 18:46
"With hard drives relatively cheap again, I'd go with a Toshiba 3TB 7200 rpm drive (boxed version)."

Suggest either Western Digital or Seagate on drives. FWIW, I've not had good luck with Toshibas and still have a WD I put into service in 2001 running as a boot. It's on it's 3rd OS. Want to see how long it runs until it drops.

Might think about 256gb neighborhood for SSD, they're cheap, and watch read/write speeds. That's space to both boot and provide a fast work partition. With that config, rotating disk can be slower, green with little performance hit.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 May 2015 at 19:43
Originally posted by Cliff Cliff wrote:

"With hard drives relatively cheap again, I'd go with a Toshiba 3TB 7200 rpm drive (boxed version)."

Suggest either Western Digital or Seagate on drives. FWIW, I've not had good luck with Toshibas and still have a WD I put into service in 2001 running as a boot. It's on it's 3rd OS. Want to see how long it runs until it drops.


The current Toshiba 3.5" drives are made by the former HGST/Hitachi/IBM plant. Generally those have been some of the most reliable drives (75GXP problems were over-hyped).

Having said that, I bought the 4TB 7200rpm Toshiba, and it was really loud (but certainly fast). I have the infamous 3TB 7200rpm Seagate which has been a good drive for me. I actually thought it was a bit loud until I tried the Toshiba. Samsung used to make some wonderful quiet drives, but Seagate didn't really continue that tradition. I was going to replace the 3TB Seagate with the Toshiba, but I sent the Toshiba back and bought another 4TB 5900rpm Seagate (the SSHD version I was already using the non-SSHD version for backup.) I'd definitely recommend these slow Seagates over the WD Greens.

I have 1TB 7200rpm WD Blues in both my desktops and those are definitely better the the 7200rpm Seagates (at least as far as being quieter and faster--but not as fast as that Toshiba). I have had bad experiences with WD drives (1.5TB Green and an Apple-branded drive).

Replace hard drives frequently--like before the end of the warranty. You can actually get some money for them used if they are still working.
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Originally posted by Octupi Octupi wrote:

Color profile your monitor and then you have no color issue.

No such thing as to much video card. :)


It does indeed still cause problems. You miss out on rgb 0-15 and 236-255. No calibration can fix that.

And there very much is such a thing as too much video card. Why waste money, power, and add heat? Or force yourself to buy a higher end PSU? The video card is the least impactful component for Lightroom/CC. CPU, RAM, and SSD will all give better results. The amount of OpenCL work done is fairly minimal, and only yields a noticible advantage in very, very specific ways.
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QUIETOC: Funny how different user experiences are. A lot has to come down to sample variation and random distribution.

It has seemed to me that the 5900rpm Seagates are significantly faster than the green WDs. That's subjective, but they spin what, around 500rpm, close to 10%, faster? I've used some WD reds in low intensity servers for the last several years and liked them, but again, it's subjective.

The Seagate SSHDs seemed more gimmick to me than real, using the memory as a big cache, but it's not as fast as real cache. How have they worked for you, better than my skepticism predicted maybe?

We went to SSDs for boot and some local fast storage several years ago. All the rotating stuff is on the network. That makes for quick boots, simple backups and quiet workstations. Except for the power supply fan in my primary workstation. @W#E$R%^&* I'm about ready to rip it out by the roots.

We tend to move drives downhill to backups, first daily rotation, then archival. By the time they fall out the end, they're several years old, obsolescent, and we hit them with a hammer. New keeps getting better and cheaper with remarkable regularity. Glad to hear you're getting some bucks back out of yours, that's hard to do.

   
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Originally posted by TheEmrys TheEmrys wrote:




Way, waytoo much video card. And it has the nvidia color bug.


If the user wants to play games, the GTX 960 is a decent, fairly fast, video card. And I hate the multi monitor bug that one sometimes encounters with ATI video cards.

The RGB color bug is a problem if you are using the hdmi output. It is not a problem if you use the DVI outputs or the displayport output. The latest nvidia drivers (it's a Windows settings bug) is supposed to fix the problem, but there is also a widely circulated fix (if you want to use hdmi out). The GTX 960 is also a fairly efficient GPU (power consumption, heat generation). If the poster isn't going to game, the R7 260 is perfectly adequate. It's roughly half the cost of the GTX 960.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote chuck1856 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2015 at 02:44
I didn't know about that color bug. Would probably use displayport output if there's no downside to that, so maybe its moot in this case.

I've good both Seagate and WD blue drives in external enclosures presently so will move them over. I chose the case size to fit in my desk but will have to take a closer look if I can fit something larger. Storage seems to be an on-going challenge, even as drive capacities grow, so does my need. So extra bays would be nice.
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Originally posted by Cliff Cliff wrote:

The Seagate SSHDs seemed more gimmick to me than real, using the memory as a big cache, but it's not as fast as real cache. How have they worked for you, better than my skepticism predicted maybe?

I mainly bought it for one year longer warranty. It is being used for the main storage drive for my home server which boots off of a 60GB Sandforce SSD. The server is in my bedroom so noise is a big factor for me. It seems to perform okay--no real testing other than CrystalDiskMark.

I really wanted a 7200rpm drive for seek performance, but there doesn't seem to be any good option above 3TB. The 8GB of flash could help seek speed. It all depends on how well Seagate firmware works. I do know the flash cache actually has lower bandwidth than the spinning disk. And Seagate also lists the mechanical seeks being slower on the hybrid version.
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