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Originally posted by keith_h keith_h wrote:

At the risk of causing a lot of freaking out, I use a leaf blower to clean the dust out of my PC. It sure does get the bunnies out of the heatsinks in a hurry.

I know some say that rotating the fans at high speed will destroy the bearings etc, but its quick and effective and no negative impacts have been detected yet.



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I use an air compressor. I am not sure I would trade a more precise stream of air that I can hold a decent distance away for a leaf blower, but.... well, I guess it could work well. I just wouldn't choose that way.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Cliff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 May 2015 at 17:16
Originally posted by keith_h keith_h wrote:

At the risk of causing a lot of freaking out, I use a leaf blower to clean the dust out of my PC. It sure does get the bunnies out of the heatsinks in a hurry.

I know some say that rotating the fans at high speed will destroy the bearings etc, but its quick and effective and no negative impacts have been detected yet.

Leaf blower: Gas or electric?

Edited by Cliff - 20 May 2015 at 17:32
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Originally posted by thornburg thornburg wrote:

Originally posted by keith_h keith_h wrote:

At the risk of causing a lot of freaking out, I use a leaf blower to clean the dust out of my PC...
I'm really, really hoping that this a joke...

I've done the same thing with really dusty old electronics - take 'em outside and go at it. For 'normal' cleaning, canned air has sufficed.
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Thanks to all for a VERY useful thread!
FYI: the September 2015 TR System Guide is up!
Skylake is here (albeit in limited supply) and so is DDR4-2133 (and faster) memory...

I just wish the TR SystemGuides weren't so relentlessly game-centric!
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Originally posted by TheEmrys TheEmrys wrote:

I use an air compressor. I am not sure I would trade a more precise stream of air that I can hold a decent distance away for a leaf blower, but.... well, I guess it could work well. I just wouldn't choose that way.


Some years back, I was working the tech side of a high-end workstation vendor. At one job-site visit (iirc, upgrading HD/vid/RAM on their primary design/CAM computer in the office beside the shop floor) I noted a LOT of dust/crud inside the box. I whipped out my can of compressed air, but -- no no! We wouldn't HEAR of you using such a feeble product! -- they took the un-cased unit out onto the machineshop floor and used their pneumatic powertool airsupply hose to blow the stuff loose... not sure, but I think that sucker was running something like 2000 psi...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote TheEmrys Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2015 at 19:55
Originally posted by Steve-S Steve-S wrote:

Thanks to all for a VERY useful thread!
FYI: the September 2015 TR System Guide is up!
Skylake is here (albeit in limited supply) and so is DDR4-2133 (and faster) memory...

I just wish the TR SystemGuides weren't so relentlessly game-centric!


The truth, though, is that photography requires very little in the way of gpu for photo editing. There is just so little advantage a hugely powerful gpu over a weak one. As long as the basic opencl work can done, its good. The difference is hardly noticeable, because it does highly specialized work, primarily in CS.

But, for stressing a computer's gpu, cpu, and everything else, few things are as good as games.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Steve-S Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2015 at 20:49
Originally posted by TheEmrys TheEmrys wrote:

Originally posted by Steve-S Steve-S wrote:

Thanks to all for a VERY useful thread!
FYI: the September 2015 TR System Guide is up!
Skylake is here (albeit in limited supply) and so is DDR4-2133 (and faster) memory...

I just wish the TR SystemGuides weren't so relentlessly game-centric!


The truth, though, is that photography requires very little in the way of gpu for photo editing. There is just so little advantage a hugely powerful gpu over a weak one. As long as the basic opencl work can done, its good. The difference is hardly noticeable, because it does highly specialized work, primarily in CS.

But, for stressing a computer's gpu, cpu, and everything else, few things are as good as games.
It's really useful to know that a separate gpu card has little to offer the photoshop-using stills shooter! But yeah... high end games have long been one of the toughest, most-comprehensive challenges a computer had to face! Ages ago, in the era of ms-dos when "IBM-PC compatibility" was a thing under discussion, I recall my amusement upon learning that the official recommendation for most hardware vendors was "does it run FlightSimulator?"
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Games don't really push much in a PC besides the GPU. Other than a couple of test titles a couple years ago, Windows games aren't even 64-bit code. Most still rely on one-thread to do most of the work--even if they require a quad core CPU to run.

I should look for a different video card. I currently have a GTX 650 Ti, and I have some annoying sleep issues that might be related to it. Also the 650 Ti isn't the most efficient GPU, and it makes noise.

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After a couple of months of using a UHD/4k/3840x2160 tv/monitor via display port it would be hard to go back to lower resolution. Even at 42" I've got to get in to between two and three feet to see the detail. It's hard to imagine how close folks have to be to a smaller screen to see what detail there is at lower resolution.

Prices are way down, display was $299 and card $119. Time to take advantage of the efficiencies of standard mass market devices as they replace older lower resolution specialty screens between HD and UHD resolutions. There are only four mfrs of lcd panels in the world. Bells and whistles will vary some, but the underlying technology comes in 4 flavors.

Only real glitch so far was that I had to disable "desktop composition", it screwed up 4k sync (Win 7 - control panel, advanced system settings, advanced, performance, settings, visual fx).
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Originally posted by Cliff Cliff wrote:

After a couple of months of using a UHD/4k/3840x2160 tv/monitor via display port it would be hard to go back to lower resolution. Even at 42" I've got to get in to between two and three feet to see the detail. It's hard to imagine how close folks have to be to a smaller screen to see what detail there is at lower resolution.

I don't follow you. You have a 42" (diagonal, I assume?) display with 8mp (3840x2160). I have a 23" diagonal display with 2mp (1920x1080). That means the pixel pitches are almost exactly the same (mine must be just a tad larger)... so you can see the same 'detail' on mine as you can see on yours, and from the same viewing distance. You can even sit very slightly further from mine than from yours with no loss of detail. You just can't see the same 'full scope' of the image on mine when looking at detail - you have to zoom in on a smaller portion of it.

It's true that your monitor with similar pixel pitch but four times the surface area must be clearly superior for viewing full images, but I don't get how it helps with examining detail of a particular photo.

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Sure, if you zoom in you can see roughly as much detail at the same distance in 1/4 of the image. Conversely you can get roughly 4x the detail zoomed to 1/4 image on a 4k screen. More resolution is more resolution until we get finer then our eyeballs can discriminate, and it's all "retina displays" from there. Sort of like lenses and sensors.

Also, full screen of any size at UHD/8mp means 3 pixels of a 24mp sensor image are mapped to each (full) screen pixel, versus 12 on a 1080p screen. Seems like a nice step up, especially if it's cheaper.

Ain't technology wunnerful?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2015 at 23:13
Well... I find it challenging enough moving my head around the real estate of a 23" monitor while detail hunting. I'm willing to watch 'The Matrix' on a 42" monitor, but am in no hurry to do photo editing with one.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Cliff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2015 at 01:22
The size was what was available. What I was after was a dramatically improved display at low cost. That's what I got with the full image at high resolution at a decent viewing distance.

The intent of my first post was to follow up on chatter a couple of months ago with folks about whether 4k was worth doing. For what it's worth, the experience for me has been very good. YMMV.
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