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    Posted: 21 November 2014 at 18:09
I'm shooting for a local photocontest and the theme is roughly translated "dead center". I had this idea about a shot and kind of nailed the idea I had pictured in my head but looking at it on my PC made me think that it maybe wasn't so good. My main concern with this is shot is mainly that the area in focus is too low in the frame and the shadow of the left dart is cut to have the middle dart along the left 1/3 line. What do you think, could I have done it differently?


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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 November 2014 at 18:39
I think 'dead centering' the subjects with equal space on each side would make a better shot and suit the theme.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 November 2014 at 07:46
Hi Magnus, I like the idea but indeed for a competition you might want to execute a little better.

Couple of thoughts:
- Take Syber's advice, centering the composition here can work given the topic
- Use a smaller aperture and/or move the darts parallel to the sensor plane so the tails come more in focus
- move your camera up a bit so you see the dart board at a steeper angle (will also help the dof on the darts)
- make the light harsher so the shadows become darker

Not sure if anything I recommend will actually make a better picture , but it just might be fun trying and can spark other ideas to come up with your final result.

Hope this helps.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ifreedman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 November 2014 at 14:44
It's a very nice picture already. I do think you could make a more standout image with the dartboard theme, but I'm not sure exactly what to suggest that will work. You might want to experiment a bit.

I think symmetry *might* be good, as others suggested. You might want to use a slightly wider lens.

I'm not really sure... have you looked at other images along this theme.

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There are google images of dat board closeups.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Bob J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 November 2014 at 14:53
Assuming the numbers are uppermost on the board, two of the darts seem to have gone into the board point upwards (is if thrown from low down)... That pedantry aside, I think it might improve from the use of plainer flights (the starts-and-stripes ones draw the eye from the 'dead centre', and from more use of the shadows (which would also lead the eye towards the centre of the board).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Michael Johansson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 November 2014 at 15:12
I believe dart is a British game. Shouldn┤t the fins therefore on the darts be Union Jack alike?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Swede66 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 November 2014 at 17:32
Thank you for your feedback and the very good suggestions. I will continue this week and I'll post the results.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote marlon127 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2014 at 22:06
I love the composition, I just wish there was a tad bit more room to the left. Otherwise, this is a great image, definitely consider adding it to your stock library.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Swede66 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 November 2014 at 21:13
2nd try, other darts and the other side of the board. Darts centered, Union Jack fins, darts angled differently, darts more in focus and sharper shadows. Better?


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Post Options Post Options   Quote mpb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 November 2014 at 21:47
IMHO:-
I think your first attempt was better.

The main issues I have with the second are:-
1. There is too much foreground and the light is too harsh on the foreground distracting from the darts.
2. I think if you are going to use a centre composition (as well as the bulls eye) for the theme, you need to centre it, currently it is more to the left.
3. The un-natural position of the board in both shots bugs me (just my sensibilities, others may not care). Usually a dart board is on an wall hanging vertically.

What I liked about the first was the fact that the flights were slightly out of focus drawing the eye to the "dead centre" bulls eye (sorry pegelli). In the second the bulls eye is almost lost.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote stiuskr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 December 2014 at 02:17
And now for something completely different...
How about turning it into an action shot via rear sync and dragging the shutter? The simplest would be just one dart falling (for the shot but rotate the image to look like it's been tossed and the board is vertical) and just millimeters away from landing dead center, or have darts to the left and right/top or bottom of the bulls eye (and parallel to each other, perpendicular to the frame) with the third one splitting the two on it's way to dead center.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mikey2000 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 December 2014 at 07:49
So far for me, a square crop of #2 would be best. As mpb said - there is a bit too much foreground in #2 at the moment but I definitely prefer the more symmetrical compo.

I'm no darts expert so I don't know the right word but the black "stems" on the darts disappear into the background a bit. Can you get lighter coloured 'stems'?

I prefer the board in #1. In #2 it's a bit 'well used' and the extra texture detracts a bit from the theme. Maybe the UK style dartboard in #2 is a bit specific for an international audience - has anyone outside the UK seen that style of board. (I don't know) The board in #1 is simpler and maybe more international.

I like the general idea of a triple bullseye though. For an alternative, how about a totally different angle where the board is hanging conventionally and shot straight on, showing the concentric circles from the point of view of the player.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote chuck1856 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 December 2014 at 18:32
Hi, I like the feedback you've gotten thus far. Couple compositional ideas to consider:

1) Since darts are played horizontally, I personally think showing them in a vertical orientation implies more of a staged setup than might be desired. I would suggest rotated so they are horizontal.

2) I like the use of symmetry in this case. House it might be night to create some break in the symmetry. IE: Board, bullseye, and middle dart perfectly on center (and parallel to edge of frame!). But have the upper or lower darts appear more randon in their angles.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote brettania Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 January 2015 at 08:41
The World Darts Championships are on TV at the moment and they use the "British style" board -- naturally as the champs are held in the UK.

I agree with those who say the board in #2 looks too used to be appealing. I also think that neutral flights might be better than the Union Jack ones.

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