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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 April 2024 at 21:02
Originally posted by waldo_posth waldo_posth wrote:

In case you would rather opt for a two camera solution (and funds are limited) I would go for a A7RIV in combination with a A6600. I have a A6500 (bought before the LA-EA5 was launched) - it is very compact, particularly in combination with the 18-135mm, but the screwdrive AF lenses are not supported by the LA-EA5 with it. I was somehow disappointed by the A6700 and still hope that Sony will come up some day with an APS-C camera that matches the Fujifilm APS-C cameras.
I have the A6400 and feel the A6600 is a bit expensive for just the IBIS - most APS-C lenses have OIS.

I also was disappointed in the A6700, but the more I read the more I am impressed. Yes, the improvements are mainly video-centric, but there are also a lot of small improvements.
I assume you're comparing the A6700 to the Fuji X-H2 and X-H2s, but the X-H2 is €300,- more expensive atm (more at msrp) and the X-H2s is a whopping €1000,- more expensive. And they are as big as the Sony full frame cameras, loosing the main advantage of the crop option in the Sony line-up for me.
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...I also was disappointed in the A6700, but the more I read the more I am impressed. Yes, the improvements are mainly video-centric, but there are also a lot of small improvements


I suspect with the numbers of users on YouTube, TikTok etc, Sony has decided the best way to grow their market is to make their cameras even better for video work.
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Originally posted by Wētāpunga Wētāpunga wrote:

...I also was disappointed in the A6700, but the more I read the more I am impressed. Yes, the improvements are mainly video-centric, but there are also a lot of small improvements


I suspect with the numbers of users on YouTube, TikTok etc, Sony has decided the best way to grow their market is to make their cameras even better for video work.


Correct! that is what I've been thinking (and saying) we still photographers have become a minority in the camera market. I'm reading so many reviews downgrading cameras for 4k and 8k performance and overheating while shooting video. And lenses for breathing and other things easily corrected in post for still photography. Flip screens for viewing yourself while vlogging. All things I personally couldn't care less about! I think Neil will agree!
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The A6700 is an real upgrade for photography as well compared to the A6400/A6600:
New sensor with reduced rolling shutter
Better colour response and AWB
Better AF: It can recognise humans, animals, birds, cars, trains, airplanes, even insects
Improved IBIS
Extra, front control dial (I know )
Better grip
Better touch screen controls
Improved viewfinder (brighter)
Improved LCD-screen
And it still is really small (slightly bigger then my A6400).

And video overheating is over rated. Most people live in moderate climates and don't shoot hours of 4K footage.
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Originally posted by AudioDoc AudioDoc wrote:

Correct! that is what I've been thinking (and saying) we still photographers have become a minority in the camera market. I'm reading so many reviews downgrading cameras for 4k and 8k performance and overheating while shooting video. And lenses for breathing and other things easily corrected in post for still photography. Flip screens for viewing yourself while vlogging. All things I personally couldn't care less about! I think Neil will agree!

This is one of the reasons why I have come to ask 'real' photographers who are based, primarily, in the 'stills' world and who use their cameras extensively for all sorts of subjects. The reviews in the press are generally good but, as you point out, ratings can so often be downgraded or influenced by a function which has little to no relevance to my sort of image taking (luddite though I know I am! ).

Thanks everyone for the open (and on topic!) discussions so far; very, very useful so far!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Wētāpunga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 April 2024 at 12:27
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

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And video overheating is over rated. Most people live in moderate climates and don't shoot hours of 4K footage.


Agree completely. Nobody who is seriously into videography wants to fill their memory cards with hours of footage they're not going to use. It's a similar reason to why we don't simply take hundreds+ photos of a scene in an 'aim and spray' approach and select the best photo from the set.

Also, great elucidation of the positives of the A6700 for stills-photography .

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Macca Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 April 2024 at 17:33
Another plus one for the A7RV.Recently upgraded from the A7iii and find the focusing and improved screen and EVF a boon given deteriorating eyesight.

I`m going through a gradual weeding process with old glass that doesn`t quite cope with the 61mp sensor but find it`s a natural process with lenses that were seeing less use anyway. Some A mount remnants still shine IMO the 50mm 1.4 ZA SSM for example and I don`t imagine your 135mm will be any less special on upgrading.

Some of my old glass has surprised me Topcor , Zeiss and Leica generally handle the sensor well.

I`ve tried the Sony 40mm FE 2.5 as a lightweight walkabout option but returned after a few days as it was disappointing and I felt the IQ was pretty poor ( may have been a lemon) and there are hopefully better options to try, I`ve got a 35mm f2 Sigma dg dn on the way to try also.

Last but not least E mount Zeiss glass is crazy cheap just now eg Batis 135mm regularly going for around £500, Loxias even cheaper ( I got the 85mm in mint for £425!) and they still produce some magic on the A7RV so it doesn`t have to be all about GM glass though if you can afford it price and weight wise it`s nice to have.
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I can personally vouch for the Zeiss Batis line of lenses. Especially if they can be found at reasonable prices. Retail prices are typically about the same as GM lenses, so might not be attractive to most users. I love the Zeiss rendering. Most of them are relatively small and light, other than the 135mm. One favorite is the 40mm f2.0. Normally, that is the lens I would have on my camera for the majority of my photos when not using the Tamron 28-200. Love the 40mm focal length. Interesting to know they can produce nice results on the 61Mp sensor, since the A7rV could be a future purchase if and when the price drops a bit. With the fully articulating screen, the AI focus tracking, focus bracketing for focus stacking, high res EVF and more, would seem to be the best choice for Neil if the file sizes are not to large. I understand It does allow for shooting in smaller
file sizes and, like the A7rIV, you can shoot in 26Mp APS-C mode. I checked and Really Right Stuff is making an L bracket set for it, though there are probably cheaper knock-off L brackets available. I have the RRS L bracket on my A7rIIIa.
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Neil, my thoughts would run thusly:

I, too, am a generalist photographer, but I earn some money as a second shooter at weddings, so my criteria are slightly different. But I've been shooting with the A7R IV for over a year, now, and I would be inclined to recommend the A7R V, with some caveats. The body will be smaller but not substantially lighter than the A99. The AF will be better than A7R IV because the IV does not have bird eye-AF, nor the upgraded 'AI' focusing. (The IV's face recognition was a type of AI, I think, but it does not recognize all faces as faces - though it is very good). The RV will have better animal eye AF. And it has the better articulating screen. The A7R V reportedly does not suffer the 'star eater' issue in astrophotography - I have had some problems with that on the A7R IV.

The 61MP sensor has excellent dynamic range - better than the alternatives. I did have to build a new computer to handle the big files, but I needed a new computer anyway. The sensor readout is slow, on A7R IV, so I actually get distortion when using Silent Shutter, to the point I turned that off (much as I would LIKE to use it) - the A1 would be better, and the A7R V will have a similar readout delay. Aside from readout speed, and shutter lag as old lenses stop down their aperture on LA-EA5, I'm confident you would enjoy it. The 61MP is great for landscapes, architecture, macro, birding, etc., and I'm sure it would keep up with sports.

Lenses - the A7R IV focuses quickly and tracks well with the LA-EA5, but with shallow DOF and a fast-moving subject I have missed focus with A-mount lenses when I would not with equivalent E-mount lenses. As others have mentioned there are SOME E-mount lenses that are smaller, and many that aren't. I'm a strange wedding photographer because I prefer primes (for speed/aperture). As a second shooter, I mainly shoot candids, and I 'zoom with my feet'. I have used the CZ 135 in the past. I now own, and prefer, the e-mount 135mm 1.8 GM - it is lighter, focuses faster and silently, I like the manual focus even though it's electronic, I like the aperture ring, etc. Maybe the CZ bokeh was sometimes better (not always), but I so much prefer the focus speed and silence that I would get the GM anyway. I'd like to have the 200-600 G you mentioned, but otherwise I cannot even fantasize about the Sony zooms, they cost so much (the GMII's). Tamron has nice alternatives in E-mount. I have used the Tam 70-180/2.8, it's very nice, but I'll stick with the Sony 135/1.8 GM. I agree that the 24-105/4 looks nice, but the Tamron 35-150/2-2.8 (while bigger) might replace more lenses (expensive, though).

My lightweight setup right now is: Minolta(O) 24/2.8 on LA-EA5 in one pocket, Min(O) 50/1.4 in another pocket, and 135 GM on the camera. I might one day replace the 24mm with 24/1.4 GM, but I'm not in a hurry to switch to bigger lenses.
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Thanks everyone for the comments and suggestion - greatly appreciated.

There is also one very big 'elephant in the room' around the A7R V running at 'full capability' - and that is file size.

I am resigned to having to upgrade my processing hardware anyway as my current MacBook pro is starting to feel it's age (all it really needs is a memory upgrade - but Apple, in their infinite wisdom, barred that possibility with these models a long time ago and modern software is so memory hungry), so I will be going through an upgrade path shortly anyway - but will get something with more memory than seems necessary! I'm currently considering an iMac with an M3 chip but with additional memory (16Gb unified memory) to try and make it as 'future proof' as I think I will need.

I think the phrase I'm looking for is 'consequential cost of ownership'

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Post Options Post Options   Quote AudioDoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 April 2024 at 17:15
Sounds like a plan, Neil!

Re: "consequential cost of ownership" very accurate prase! Indeed, even without large file size, computer software, especially photo editing apps can quickly render hardware obsolete! Especially memory and Graphics (GPU). And Apple does make it a pain, not allowing hardware updates on most newer gear. On the other hand, from my experience, my Apple devices have held up much better and longer than my past Windows PCs. My current Mac Mini M1 with 16Gb memory with external SSD for photo storage and editings easily handles the 42Mp files from my A7rIIIa and I think would Also be Ok with 61Mp files, so I think the iMac M3 with 16Mp should work well for you. I use a Synology NAS for Archiving my photos and other data.
Larger or more more memory cards may be in order.

Keep us posted!

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Originally posted by owenn01 owenn01 wrote:

Now - if Sony produced a camera with al lthe specs of the high-end items but no video -well; that would indeed be interesting....


In my book, they did -- the a900 & a850.
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A900/A850 sales were hurt by the lack of video. The only company that can pull of a camera without video is Leica. And be aware, a camera without video functions won't be cheaper, it in fact might be more expensive as a niche product.

Re: "consequential cost of ownership": people worry to much. Any decent recent mid to high end computer should be able to handle 61mpx. I run a 2015 5th gen Intel i5 with 16mb DDR3 memory. It struggles with my A7r4 files, yes, but it is 9 years old! It just did fine with the 42mpx of the A99m2 and A7r2 - no complaints. Anything with a little more power and a little more memory should be able to handle these 61mpx files without problems. Apple M-processors are a little less memory sensitive, a M1/M2/M3 with 16gb can handle these files easily.
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I was using an Alienware R15 laptop (2015)- with 16G RAM- to process a7Riii photos in Capture One until last year.
It was fine for that. Getting a good machine does 'future proof' things for many years.

I'm now using an M1 Max Studio with 32G RAM. Apple's Silicon (M-generation) chips are optimised to work with a lot of the software we use. So it's a bit like having "twice the RAM". I imagine an M3 chip with 16G RAM should be pretty efficient for photo editing for years to come. I only went with the specs I have, for video editing where the extra cores and RAM are very useful.

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