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Post Options Post Options   Quote GrJohnso Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 May 2011 at 18:59
Great article..... Really tempted to give this a shot if I can get my hands on an a100 again...

Few questions...

How long would you estimate it took you, the first time, for the complete process?

Additionally, any idea where the AA is filter located? Is it part of the low-pass CCD filter you remove, or?

Lastly, how's the view through the viewfinder after the conversion? Bright enough? Any AF issues, or is this all good?

Looks like a fun project... Have always wanted to play with IR, and this might just push me a little further down that road...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote DeX Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 May 2011 at 19:17
Greg, it's great that you're considering doing this, now to answer your questions:

- it takes about 15-20 minutes to understand how to cut glass (how hard to press on the cutter and how to break it afterward). Another 10 to do it on the filter and than sand it. It should take you half an hour, 45min tops to get to the sensor and replace the filter. 10 mins max to put it back together. If I remember correctly it took me about 1,5 hours for the entire thing. Might take two depending on cautiousness :)

- The AA filter is the low pass filter. The filter in front of the CCD is a sandwich of an AA filter and a visible light filter. My now infrared A100 is even sharper than before.

- As you do not touch the mirror or viewfinder nothing changes, it's just as bright as it was before.

- AF is another matter. If lenses are made to focus RGB in the same manner, IR can be different from lens to lens. You can expect some backfocusing, especially with longer focals. You can easily solve this with the AF adjust screws under the sticker near the tripod mount:

But it might be a bit off from what you see in the viewfinder so you have to learn to trust your AF. I've set my AF so that it focuses perfectly with 14, 24, 35, 50mm but it still back focuses with 85, 135mm and up, which I rarely use.
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I'm planning on attempting this as well. And:

Originally posted by DeX DeX wrote:


- it takes about 15-20 minutes to understand how to cut glass (how hard to press on the cutter and how to break it afterward). Another 10 to do it on the filter and than sand it.)


I can't get glass to practice on without taking half a day off to go into the suburbs. Therefore I ordered a couple of clear filters via ebay to practice on. As opposed to the Hoya R72 though, they have no 'spring' and not even with some violence will they leave their frames.

Fine, thought I, for it should actually be easier to cut the thing if held steady. Provided you can actually cut a square in the filter glass and then knock it out. I don't think you can. I've made several passes with the cutter (oiled with lamp oil) in a square, and I get ..well, scratches, gouges, what now you want to call them, plus glass fragmets here and there. But the glass is pretty thick and just knocking pretty hard on that square will not dislodge it.

Since I'm obviously pretty much the opposite to a handyman, I was wondering whether it is your opinion that cutting the filter (glass dislodged from frame-glass against tabletop) will be easier - if I cut away one part at a time (of four). Should you only cut once for each break?


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Post Options Post Options   Quote DeX Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 June 2011 at 11:39
Kilkry, I strongly suggest against cutting the filter like that. You absolutely need to mask the glass first with masking tape aligned on both sides, then take it out of the filter. When you cut the glass you must only have one fine scratch at a time. Don't push to hard on the cutter, you just need a fine scratch, then hold the 2 sides of the cut and bend them outwards and that should give you a good clean cut. You actually don't cut the glass, you just break it along a line.

Once you cut it, get some fine sanding paper for a good finish and also to make it fit perfectly.

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Take a metal file to the filter ring, just one cut and you'll be able to remove the glass from the holder.
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+1 on the above.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Kilkry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 June 2011 at 17:11
Originally posted by DeX DeX wrote:

Kilkry, I strongly suggest against cutting the filter like that. You absolutely need to mask the glass first with masking tape aligned on both sides, then take it out of the filter. When you cut the glass you must only have one fine scratch at a time. Don't push to hard on the cutter, you just need a fine scratch, then hold the 2 sides of the cut and bend them outwards and that should give you a good clean cut. You actually don't cut the glass, you just break it along a line.

Once you cut it, get some fine sanding paper for a good finish and also to make it fit perfectly.

I hope this helps.


Yes, did notice it wasn't too effective :) I sort of ignored the 'align masking tape on both sides' because I didn't understand it.(the purpose- masking tape on one side makes me see where to cut..?) I suppose I shall have to read some guide on how to use masking tape. And get a second pair of pliers : )

And thanks for the tip on how to get the glass out of the other filters.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Kilkry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 July 2011 at 17:30
Hello again. I'm still at it, it just took some time for the flash capacitor to self-discharge enough so that I didn't risk damaging anything by short circuting it with a knife*. (Good luck getting anything else in contact with those two tiny solder points without some sort of wires)

My current issue is:
"Removal of the LCD is done by pulling on the orange flexible circuit board at left of the LCD, then flipping it down and pulling on the thicker orange flexible PCB (printed circuit board)."

Hmm.As per your photo, to the left of the LCD there's a vertical strip of white plastic across four round things, and a ribbon cable connecting the middle of it to something behind. This white thing sits on an orange PCB, but that is still on the black plastic frame attached to the LCD. It seems that the ribbon cable should disconnect from where it's attached behind the LCD or where it attaches to the LCD (white strip), other than that...?

Meanwhile, the a100 service manual speaks of a 'claw' holding what looks like the LCD in place?

In summary, I would greatly appreciate it if you could clarify that bit :)

I'm not trying to annoy anyone either; I just wish to complete the operation, as well as maybe cause clarification for others who are not so very handy either and still wish to attempt this.

*Won't know for sure until it's whole again, if ever, of course : )

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What you call ribbon cable is actually an orange flexible PCB. There are two of them going from the LCD to the main board:
- a thin one on the left side
- a larger one on the lower side

First you just pull the one on the left out of the white socket on the main board, then you flip down the LCD (it is hold in place by something that clicks, just move it around until you can flip it). Lastly you free the second PCB from the main board by flipping up the socket lock.

From pete ganzel, here are two images:
This one shows the orange PCB to the left, coming out of the buttons.
This one shows the LCD flipped and the lower PCB going to the main board.

I hope this helps.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Kilkry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 July 2011 at 20:25
I write a long answer twice and get 'insufficient privileges',go back - start over.

Well, to make a long story shorter:

1. Thanks for the above answer, again. It was helpful.

2. I'm prolly out of my depth, because:
2a. The little two-cable cables are ripped out of their plastic 'heads' if you pull on them, exposing copper pincers. Solution: Pry with screwdriver instead? Not likely.

2b. The hot mirror can be chipped by a flat screwdriver, but not budged, it seems. Solution: Give up, make a mojito, enjoy the perpetual clouds outside.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote DeX Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 July 2011 at 20:36
Kilkry, I have some solutions for you:

2a. you have to pull UP on those cables. You put a screwdriver between the board and the cable and use it as a lever to push the cable heads out of their sockets. Do not pull on the cables themselves as this will result in disaster.

2b. You can use a hair dryer to heat the hot-mirror so that the glue holding it softens, then, while the mirror is still warm, use the screwdriver again to lift it.

A good advice for anything you do in mechanics/electronics:
If you ever feel the need to force anything, don't! It means you're doing it wrong and you have to rethink your methods and try another approach.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Kilkry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 July 2011 at 20:53
Thanks for the quick reply.

I'm afraid it's too late for the little cables, may their souls find pea- ..I shall try to reattach the wires into the plastic head though and hope for connection, if I get the hot mirror out anyway. Hmm,for the smaller flat cables, I found the lever you had to flip upwards, however. The piece of advice shall be archived for future excavations.

Good idea about the hot mirror glue, will find a hair dryer.

In regards to force:
Generally, compared to more handy friends, I tend to be too timid. This thime though,with the little cables, I didn't see any other way than pulling on them.

I would have needed the for dummies version of this guide. Still, I'm inspired, and after I've left this corpse in my wake it mayhap that the next victim shall fare better.

Postmortem:

As halfway expected, not a lifesign when battery is inserted or unit is switched on. Might have been the little cables, though pushing in the individual cables in the head seemed to make connection. Might have been the spring "that likes to go for a walk". Well, I'm not handy but getting it back as it's supposed to be according the servive manual was doomed to fail. Perhaps for that single reason, I will send the newly bought A100 house in to be modded like this rather than do attempt to do this myself. *Shrug*, it was worth the risk. This old house shall never backfocus again.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote janders1957 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 August 2011 at 05:18
Excellent article, I am really itching to give this a try. Will this process work on essentially any of the Alpha bodies?

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Originally posted by janders1957 janders1957 wrote:

Excellent article, I am really itching to give this a try. Will this process work on essentially any of the Alpha bodies?

In short yes. Though the disassembly of the different Alpha bodies varies slightly due to the different layouts, e.g. of the mainboard, in the end.

From my own experience Alpha200 can be converted straight forward (main tool here is a philips screwdriver only), whereas on the KM5D some wires on the mainboard need to be desoldered first to be able to remove the mainboard and get to the sensor finally
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