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Is Sony really supporting developing it's four interchangeable systems though:

- KM FF
- KM APS
- Sony FE
- Sony E

I see lots of new A7 bodies and FE lenses. This is clearly where all the effort is.

And a refresh of the NEX/60000-66000 body but very little native glass action. If you were a dedicated APS shooter and wanted to leave Canon/Nikon ... would you join NEX before looking at how many lenses there are? Not everyone wants a big FF lens on their little APS body.

Canon are much worse at this. They keep popping out M (mirrorless APS) bodies but no new lenses. There still isn't a fixed aperure pro-esq zoom. They know their market and they know the relative sales of slow zooms vs primes better than any of us ... but while they can keep making the M bodies better (like the NEX body improvements): where is the new glass? There are still lots of gaps. Or am I, as a former 'lovely primes only please' shooter, just the wrong customer?
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In APS-C E-mount primes they have 16, 20, 24, 35, 50 and the size/weight gains you get from APS-C at longer focal length gets less and less, so the 85/1.8 could be a nice short tele, I don't find it too big on an A6xxx body but ymmv

In zoom they just brought out a new APS-C 70-350 which is pretty good
As one stop travel zooms (above kit) they have the 16-70, 18-105, 18-135 and 18-200 and the WA zoom 10-18 is pretty good as well. Even the kit lenses (16-50, 18-55 and 55-210) aren't bad at all and can deliver pretty decent results.

Obviously there's always more possible but I think they have the bases pretty well covered and there's several third party options as well that complement this line-up (especially WA prime, but others too).

What would you add to complete the line-up further?
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Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

In APS-C E-mount primes they have 16, 20, 24, 35, 50 and the size/weight gains you get from APS-C at longer focal length gets less and less, so the 85/1.8 could be a nice short tele, I don't find it too big on an A6xxx body but ymmv

In zoom they just brought out a new APS-C 70-350 which is pretty good
As one stop travel zooms (above kit) they have the 16-70, 18-105, 18-135 and 18-200 and the WA zoom 10-18 is pretty good as well. Even the kit lenses (16-50, 18-55 and 55-210) aren't bad at all and can deliver pretty decent results.

Obviously there's always more possible but I think they have the bases pretty well covered and there's several third party options as well that complement this line-up (especially WA prime, but others too).

What would you add to complete the line-up further?


This highlights a couple of things ... one being 'how many lenses do you want/need'. And in those respects, and a quick side-step to the older KM dSLR/SLT and also Pentax dSLR (FF + APS) and just bodies. Both of those systems have just three cameras. One full-frame and two APS. Which is actually plenty. Entry APS for the gateway, top end APS for the enthusiast, full-frame for the dedicated. It works for Pentax.

Another side-step (related) is Panasonic's primes by comparison to that list of NEX primes. 12, 14, 15, 20, 25, 43 (not mentioning macro, some of them have 2 options with different apertures so 8 prime lenses in all). These are 24, 28, 30 (odd), 40 ('perfect standard'), 50, and 85. So also represent the same olde school 28/50/85 some of us started with and some extras. But Panasonic is in a bit of a pickle here. The 12/1.4 and 43/1.2 are £1100 - which is utter madness. And the 14/2.5 was launched with the very first 12mp m43 cameras. I re-bought the 14/2.5 and 20/1.7 a month ago to see if they can cope with today's 20mp sensor (not tried them yet).

A couple of personal things that kept me away from taking a NEX body when I got my Pan GX9 (which looks very like the NEX/a6600) ... the GX9 is £450 new and the NEX/a6600 is £1400. Okay GX9 is older, so probably fairer to compare to a6500 or a6400 (can't remember which one got IBIS). Either way it would need to be £1000 better than the GX9. A tough ask.   

The other thing is "lovely primes". I could lust after a Pan 12/1.4 or be realistic and get a Leica 15/1.7 or the older Leica 25/1.4. The 14 is silly small. The 20 is that ideal '21mm' standard (like Pentax 43mm prime I think). As an enthusiast there are some gems to keep me interested. Plus Oly options (I prefer to stay on brand though).

I couldn't seem to get excited about any of the NEX primes, were they all introduced with the NEX 3 and NEX 5 - are they still up to the job of today's sensors? No need to refresh every lens but if Sony are aiming NEX at consumer zooms are those primes just old line-up filler? I'm being harsh perhaps but this is my own question on Pan's oldest 14/2.5 and 20/1.7. The NEX primes are quite cheap (price).

I did like the idea of the Zeiss 16-80/4 (which is what I have on my Panasonic: Leica 12-60/2.8-4). Both are 24-130 and 'branded'.

Also looked into the FE entry primes, 28/2 and 50 and macro and 35/2.8 Zeiss but wasn't completely sold on their performance from reading in here. I'm used to having m43 lenses that are useable wide open and that demands the same from my next purchase. You can buy a fujifilm X100 and go oooh arrrh it has an f2 lens (just don't tell anyone that you need to stop to f5.6 to get a decent image out of it), pointless having an f2 if it cannot be used that way. The fujifilm 35/2 and 16/2.8 I got (both APS) are okay but I'd not use them wide open. Having used the Nikon AIS 50/1.2 and used it at 1.2 - which challenging it is sharp and gets keepers at 1.2 (if you can focus is right!).
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I'm not wanting/insisting that any camera maker makes 100 lenses ... just want to see Canon M actually make some more primes ... and as long as there is a decent 24/28, 35, 50, 85 then I'm personally covered. But they gotta be good ones.

Olympus did finally delete the 17/2.8 that launched with the first E-P1. It was not very good on 12mp. And clearly wasn't going to keep up at 16mp or 20mp. Respect them for deleting that lens. But super curious that Pan put a new outer case on the 14/2.5 and 20/1.7 from the same era and made their version II. I re-bought the originals (it is just external cosmetic upgrade) to see if they are good lenses. I wanted the 14/2.5 II just becuase it is black and not lilac in finish, so the used 14/2.5 is s free rental/trial to save me spending on a new one. Love eBay!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 June 2020 at 18:12
Isn't it great to have so many choices between brands, mounts and sensor sizes.

I have the 20/2.8 and it's perfectly usable wide open and fine at f4 on 24 MP. I have owned and sold the 30 macro and 50/1.8 and again both had no problem holding up to 24 MP. So if the current set of primes meet your needs the A6xxx is a nice foundation for a good APS-C system, if you like the Panasinic primes better and can live with a smaller 4:3 sensor the Panasonic is a better choice.

Apparently you like the Panasonic better for reasons that are important to you. that's perfectly fine. But that doesn't mean that other people with different priorities can't like the A6xxx's better. To each their own.
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