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    Posted: 17 March 2017 at 20:01
From this post here, and the response below from analytical I've been introduced to a piece of kit (and the relating kit lust) that I wasn't aware existed:

Olympus EE-1 Dot Sight

I had never heard of such an item before reading that thread but it seems like a very valuable piece of kit - especially for BIF. How many people are actively using this already? Am I last to the party?!

Anyway would be interested to hear more on the subject and any recommendations for a minolta hot shoe version for my A77 and A900.
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I have a little experience trying to adapt one a few years back, and did but it was a first attempt and I didn't really like my solution so I put it on the backburner. They're very tricky to use if you're used to shooting through a viewfinder with the camera against your face. It is a reflex sight, a floating red dot that you can adjust up/down/left/right and being a reflex sight no matter how you look through it the dot will always stay in the same place, i.e. be on target. But it's designed for a long eye relief, more of a pistol scope than a rifle scope and that's the hard bit I had with it was using it at an arms length. With that in mind I think these would be best used with the shoulder stock camera mounts like the (discontinued?)Bush Hawk.

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There are a number of threads over on dpreview on red dot sights. My most recent contribution is to this thread., I usually mount the sight much further forward on the rail than in this pic so as to get as much eye relief as possible. Works for me.
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Personally that thing looks way to flimsy to last if you are the type of person that do the walking kinda shooting, can see it snag onto something and just snapping off! At the cost of them new I'd rather scour ebay or similar for a Docter or Burris rifle/handgun sight and adapt, least they feel solid!

Might be useful on something like a gimbal setup when it allows you to take your eye off the viewfinder, quick 90 degree pan from a gimbal means you have to move quite a bit around the center of the tripod, or on something like a 500mm reflex (not much weight to hold up at arms length).

Done plenty of BIF the last 3 days against some seriously fast targets, White-throated Needletails, and find that with practice it's not really that hard to keep even a small bird in frame. Plus the way the camera "connects" to my face is muscle memory by now.

Key bits for that fast pickup handheld is to not take your eye of the bird as you raise the camera, practice enough and once that camera is up and you are looking through the viewfinder the bird will be in view aswell.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote waleskeg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 March 2017 at 04:31
Originally posted by SnowFella SnowFella wrote:

At the cost of them new I'd rather scour ebay or similar


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Post Options Post Options   Quote mirthseeker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 March 2017 at 05:37
Originally posted by SnowFella SnowFella wrote:

Personally that thing looks way to flimsy to last


??? High tensile steel, designed to be mounted on a hunting rifle and bashed around. Red dot sights fully enclosed in steel are available also. If the sight was mounted on the flash bracket, which many use, the bracket itself would break before the rail or sight would bend at all. Each to their own.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote SnowFella Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 March 2017 at 06:01
Originally posted by mirthseeker mirthseeker wrote:

Originally posted by SnowFella SnowFella wrote:

Personally that thing looks way to flimsy to last


??? High tensile steel, designed to be mounted on a hunting rifle and bashed around. Red dot sights fully enclosed in steel are available also. If the sight was mounted on the flash bracket, which many use, the bracket itself would break before the rail or sight would bend at all. Each to their own.


Meant the Olympus thing, especially opened it doesn't look to be that rigid to my eyes!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tricky01 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 April 2021 at 23:17
Appreciate this is a very very old thread, but seems the topic hasn't come up again so thought I'd continue here. I bought one of these this week to accompany my purchase of the Sony 200-600, and I've got to say it's fantastic. So much easier tracking BIF, I can't wait to find a good subject to use it on! In terms of it being flimsy and getting caught on something, it folds down very neatly when moving around and pops back up quickly and easily when something catches your eye. If you have a long lens (300mm or more on APSC, 400mm or more on full frame) and interested in birds in flight, I'd almost call this an essential purchase.
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By coincidence I spent a couple of hours yesterday in the hides at Rutland Water to see the nesting osprey pair, that return every year. Their nest is covered by a webcam but it is too far out for any chance of a photograph. Photographers go there in the hope that one of them goes on a fishing trip and gets close to the hides.

But there is plenty of other wildlife to photograph and I did a trial run with a modified backpack to carry my 200-600 on the a7iii, also with the Olympus laser sight and I agree it is much easier to follow birds in flight.

I have found though that it has to be calibrated every time it is mounted and turned on. Easy to do by locking the cameraís viewfinder on a distant object and then using the up-down and left-right adjusters on the sight to set the hologram target on the same point. After that it is easy to look through it with eyes well back from the camera.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote adhox Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 April 2021 at 11:15
Originally posted by bonneville bonneville wrote:

By coincidence I spent a couple of hours yesterday in the hides at Rutland Water to see the nesting osprey pair, that return every year. Their nest is covered by a webcam but it is too far out for any chance of a photograph. Photographers go there in the hope that one of them goes on a fishing trip and gets close to the hides.

But there is plenty of other wildlife to photograph and I did a trial run with a modified backpack to carry my 200-600 on the a7iii, also with the Olympus laser sight and I agree it is much easier to follow birds in flight.

I have found though that it has to be calibrated every time it is mounted and turned on. Easy to do by locking the cameraís viewfinder on a distant object and then using the up-down and left-right adjusters on the sight to set the hologram target on the same point. After that it is easy to look through it with eyes well back from the camera.

I used to find the EE-1 worked well on Olympus bodies, but itís never sat securely on my Sonys - I havenít found the knack to prevent rotating about the vertical axis, yaw if you like. I havenít tried it on the A9, but maybe I should try it again. It should be useful with the 200-600
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Originally posted by adhox adhox wrote:

I used to find the EE-1 worked well on Olympus bodies, but itís never sat securely on my Sonys - I havenít found the knack to prevent rotating about the vertical axis, yaw if you like. I havenít tried it on the A9, but maybe I should try it again. It should be useful with the 200-600

Iím not sure I understand what you mean. It slots into the hot shoe (no electrical connections necessary) and is secured with threaded plastic disc to clamp it in. It weights next to nothing and has no effect on the balance of the camera and lens mounted on a gimbal tripod. Could you clarify ď the knack to prevent rotating about the vertical axis, yaw if you likeĒ? Perhaps we are talking about a different device?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote gigo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 April 2021 at 12:43
I also have EE-1.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote gigo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 April 2021 at 17:01
Originally posted by adhox adhox wrote:


I used to find the EE-1 worked well on Olympus bodies, but itís never sat securely on my Sonys - I havenít found the knack to prevent rotating about the vertical axis, yaw if you like.

As with my A1, the top plate of the accessory shoe is so thin that I can't tighten the EE-1 screws tightly.
Countermeasure:
1) Insert an appropriate spacer.
2) Insert the Minolta OS-1000 between the camera and the EE-1.
3) Insert Minolta FS-1200 + SONY MDP-AMA. It doesn't look good, but this combination can be firmly fixed. Vertical parallax increases, but the hood is less likely to get in the way.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tricky01 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 April 2021 at 11:14
When you tighten the ring on the dot sight, a small metal pin drops down. So as well as tightening to the top of the hotshoe, it also prevents the dotsight slidding out. On the A7iii at least, there is a hole for this pin to drop into. Potentially you haven't slide the dotsight in far enough for the pin to align with the hole perhaps? I certainly haven't had any problems with it moving once attached, though I would recommend re calibrating it each time you use it (even if you haven't detached the dot sight since its last use). It only takes 10 seconds or so.

That mounting bracket to attach the dot sight to the side of the camera is an interesting idea though, I might have a play with some brackets I've got lying around to test - though I suspect mounting on top of the camera is easiest (and least likely to get knocked).
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