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    Posted: 17 February 2019 at 16:36
Brief history, had a sony A350, beercan 70-210, beercan 35-105, minolta 50mm F1.7 and a sigma 24mm superwide.

Sold up and bought a Nikon d750 with 24-120 F4, not using it as much as i would like due to an arthritic knee, going to sell this now as too much invested for not using.

Question is what is the best bang for buck in Alpha range now, looking at getting another 70-210 beercan and possibly a beercan 28-135 as a walkabout.

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Originally posted by dalex dalex wrote:


Question is what is the best bang for buck in Alpha range now, looking at getting another 70-210 beercan and possibly a beercan 28-135 as a walkabout.

Cheers
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All the A-mount cameras are affordable now and you're spoilt for choice, but since you say 'down-sizing', there is only a limited number of them that are both compact/lightweight and also have a decent function set.

Any of the 2-digit models have an EVF which may involve a learning curve but you will probably learn to find indispensable.
IMHO the best light-weight DSLT is the A58 because it has almost everything the better A77ii has but is usefully lighter, but many prefer the (heavier and arguably better) A65 or A77ii.
Then there's the A99ii which is superb, though heavy again. IMHO you're probably better off avoiding the A77i and A99i which miss out on modern features, but you can always go the other way and look for one of the 3-series cameras (eg A37) which were very small and lightweight.

Don't forget to check the data on M. Hohner's invaluable site, and also to read the useful and down-to-earth equipment reviews of Kurt Munger

EDIT: The full-frame models will give the best out of the older Minolta lenses but many of them do work nicely on APS-C. They also work well on film ... and the film cameras are so cheap now there's simply no excuse *NOT* to have one!

Edit 2: I think I meant 'arguably better A68 and A77ii'

Edited by Miranda F - 19 February 2019 at 13:44
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Originally posted by dalex dalex wrote:

Question is what is the best bang for buck in Alpha range now ...

Need more details about what you consider requirements and nice-to-haves.

... looking at getting another 70-210 beercan and possibly a beercan 28-135 as a walkabout.

Those are both pretty chunky lenses. Where's the downsizing part?
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Ah sorry, downsizing in money rather than weight.

Just a half decent used APS-C camera to use with Minolta lenses for the odd occasion I want to get out, seem to remember the A350 was fine in good light but not the best when I had to up the ISO.

The 35-105 I had was an impressive lens, may buy another, they seem very cheap now, seem to remember doing a macro focus hack on it too.

Thanks for advice so far, generally shoot in raw so what models have same sensor as the A77.

Checking out A58 now.

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An A580 if you want the best noise performance.

Out of the SLT models I've owned I prefer the current A68. It has the best focusing performance. The older models are fine. The A65 supposedly had the same sensor as the A77, but it didn't perform as well. The A57 and A58 are better.

I don't recommend any Minolta lenses. The last Sony DT zooms are best: 16-50 SSM, 18-135, and 55-300. The DT 35 F1.8 and 50 F1.8 SAM primes are also nice.

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If you don't want an SLT the lightest/cheapest options are the A450/500/550/560/580 which (if you can find them) are all pretty cheap and probably a notch above your old A350. The A580 is the best performer from this list.

An old A700 is good as well, less MP's but more sturdy than the series mentioned above.

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Aha, I would get the A68. The A77m2 is better, but not as much as the difference in money for you. Get a 18-135, 16-80 or 16-105 - the 16-50/2.8 is probably better, but less versatile. If you want more reach, get a cheap Minolta 100-300 APO (APO is important!) or get the (better?) Sony 55-300 for a little more money.

If you do not want to change lenses, get one of the Sony RX10 cameras.
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Thanks very much for the pointers.
Looking at A58 and A580 as the next purchase

Cheers
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Of the two I'd go for the A58 - after getting used to the EVF I now struggle with an OVF. There is one on ebay UK for £190 complete with the Sony 18-55mm SAM II kit lens - which is well worth having, it's not a patch on the 16-50 SSM, but you have to pay a lot more to get better. Add a beercan and you have a pretty good two lens kit for less than £250.
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For what it's worth, my opinion. For features and performance in a more compact A-mount body the winner hands down is the A57, sorry the A58 was a down grade not an up grade, I would rather use the inferior EVF of the A57 which I can easily see through over the cleaner EVF of the A68 which is a useless joke.
An A77 (the true up grade to the A57) would be my prefered choice for the environmental sealing. Failing that, I still like and use an A700.
For lenses, skip the beercan. For budget reach the Sony DT 55-300mm is the best option with the Sony 70-300mm G1 and Tamron SP 70-300mm f/4-5.6 Di USD a very close second and third.
For short telephoto the Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 LD Di-II XR A016 would be the best budget lens or the Sigma EX 28-70mm f/2.8 DG or the slower but more versitile Sony 18-135mm depending on reach and DOF preferences.
For ultra wide, Sigma EX 10-20mm f/4.0-5.6 AF DC SLD.


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I know the A580 has a lot of fans, but I do not see it. I would always choose an SLT over the small OVF of a camera like the A580, so, I would choose the A58 (though I still would point you to the A68).

@LAbernethy: why is the EVF of the A68 "a joke"? It is a strong opinion but you do not tell us why you consider it a joke.....
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

I know the A580 has a lot of fans, but I do not see it. I would always choose an SLT over the small OVF of a camera like the A580, so, I would choose the A58 (though I still would point you to the A68).

@LAbernethy: why is the EVF of the A68 "a joke"? It is a strong opinion but you do not tell us why you consider it a joke.....

Size and structure. The OVF is limited by mirror and sensor size. EVF's are not (look through the EVF of an Olympus OM-D EM-1 to compare).
The EVF on the A68 is tiny (roughly 30% smaller than the EVF on the A77 and smaller than the OVF you didn't like on the A580) and compound that with it being behind the plain axis of the tilt LCD screen (a common issue with the A5XX designs).

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