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Originally posted by LAbernethy LAbernethy wrote:

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

I know the A580 has a lot of fans, but I do not see it. I would always choose an SLT over the small OVF of a camera like the A580, so, I would choose the A58 (though I still would point you to the A68).

@LAbernethy: why is the EVF of the A68 "a joke"? It is a strong opinion but you do not tell us why you consider it a joke.....

Size and structure. The OVF is limited by mirror and sensor size. EVF's are not (look through the EVF of an Olympus OM-D EM-1 to compare).
The EVF on the A68 is tiny (roughly 30% smaller than the EVF on the A77 and smaller than the OVF you didn't like on the A580) and compound that with it being behind the plain axis of the tilt LCD screen (a common issue with the A5XX designs).

I think you are wrong about the A68 viewfinder appearing smaller than the A580 viewfinder. All the crop DSLRs I tried had smaller optical views than the A58.

Does the EVF on the A77/A77II stick out more?

Being a left-eyed, eyeglass wearer the A58/A68 viewfinder works better for me than the larger appearing viewfinder in the A65. The A65 EVF also had very little dynamic range--dark and bright areas would posterize showing no detail. Maybe the A77 doesn't have this issue? I don't remember if the A58 had this issue. The A68 view is much better than the A65 using both at once.

I found the washed out, rainbow EVF of the A57 horrible in comparison with the A68. It does have a crop option which is similar in size to the A68, but with even less resolution. Maybe there is reduced lag with the LCD panel? That is a reason Olympus gives for using LCD EVFs. I am sure I could use the A57 EVF.

For me the large pixels in all of these negate the visual size differences, and there is so little difference between the 800x600 and 1024x768 OLEDs. I do like the 1024x768 panel in the A7II, but the 800x600 panel in the A68 works fine.

Edited by QuietOC - 20 February 2019 at 13:30
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The big advantage of the A68 to me is the focus performance. I found it to be better than the often lauded Nikon dSLRs. The A65 and A57 are generations behind. There's not much reason for faster frame rates if focusing can't keep up. The A68 allows focus adjustments to be made. The A68 also has UHS support that those camera lack--it can write SD cards at 35 MB/s instead of 20 MB/s of the earlier cameras.

The A58 could appropriately be labelled A38 (the A5000 is also more of a 3-series camera.) It is mostly an upgrade from the A37. One issue for me with the A58 (and A5000) is the amount of aliasing with sharp lenses. The aliasing is particularly bad in video capture. I would look at other models for video.

The little rubber insert grip on the back of the A65 and A57 make those slightly larger, heavier bodies feel a bit nicer to hold than the A58. The taller grip on the A68 feels good too. The A37 actually looks rather interesting too, especially if one is trying to go smaller.

Edited by QuietOC - 20 February 2019 at 17:51
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No argument that the A77 is a better camera than the A58 (apart from battery life), but it is also twice the price or more. I have no experience of the A57 or A68. If price makes it a choice between A58 and A580 then it's A58 all the way for me. The A57 goes for similar money in the UK.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote LAbernethy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 February 2019 at 22:07
Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

I think you are wrong about the A68 viewfinder appearing smaller than the A580 viewfinder. All the crop DSLRs I tried had smaller optical views than the A58.

Does the EVF on the A77/A77II stick out more?

Being a left-eyed, eyeglass wearer the A58/A68 viewfinder works better for me than the larger appearing viewfinder in the A65. The A65 EVF also had very little dynamic range--dark and bright areas would posterize showing no detail. Maybe the A77 doesn't have this issue? I don't remember if the A58 had this issue. The A68 view is much better than the A65 using both at once.

I found the washed out, rainbow EVF of the A57 horrible in comparison with the A68. It does have a crop option which is similar in size to the A68, but with even less resolution. Maybe there is reduced lag with the LCD panel? That is a reason Olympus gives for using LCD EVFs. I am sure I could use the A57 EVF.

For me the large pixels in all of these negate the visual size differences, and there is so little difference between the 800x600 and 1024x768 OLEDs. I do like the 1024x768 panel in the A7II, but the 800x600 panel in the A68 works fine.


I have both the A580 (16mmx11mm)flat glass on an angle and A68(15mmx10mm) with a circular magnification bubble which distorts the edges, in my hands.

yes, the EVF on the a33, a55, a37, a57 and a77 all stick out a little but i always thought the a37 was the best iteration of the design. My a37 was my wife's camera untill she borrowed my Olympus OM-D EM-5 and refused to give it back. i sold the a37 some time a go and no longer have it for direct comparison.
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

The big advantage of the A68 to me is the focus performance. I found it to be better than the often lauded Nikon dSLRs. The A65 and A57 are generations behind. There's not much reason for faster frame rates if focusing can't keep up. The A68 allows focus adjustments to be made. The A68 also has UHS support that those camera lack--it can write SD cards at 35 MB/s instead of 20 MB/s of the earlier cameras.

The A58 could appropriately be labelled A38 (the A5000 is also more of a 3-series camera.) It is mostly an upgrade from the A37. One issue for me with the A58 (and A5000) is the amount of aliasing with sharp lenses. The aliasing is particularly bad in video capture. I would look at other models for video.

The little rubber insert grip on the back of the A65 and A57 make those slightly larger, heavier bodies feel a bit nicer to hold than the A58. The taller grip on the A68 feels good too. The A37 actually looks rather interesting too, especially if one is trying to go smaller.


if there is an advantage in focus performance with the a68 I haven't noticed. The Higher ISO performance is noticeable though.
The only knock i have against the a37 is it's powered by a NP-FW50 which never lasts.
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