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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jed Smith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 May 2009 at 08:04
If you can let us good ole' USA boys know the contact info of that Sony Rep, we will help pull the weight.   

Glad this is going through. Cheers to all and good work!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote vbpholaw Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2009 at 00:23
I am reluctant to giving that rep's e-mail information as he has a specific territory in the mid-Atlantic region and I don't know where he is in Sony's pecking order. Thus, it may not be fair to inundate him with e-mails when he is not high enough for them to have any impact. In fact, he is not even a Sony employee. Rather, he works for a marketing company that Sony has retained to provide the type of services he does (mostly training of retail folks, but also some interaction with the general consumer population). I also don't know how he would react to a sudden influx of messages from folks he does not know. Not fair to him. I hope to see him tomorrow (Sunday) and if so will talk to him about the situation and see what he recommends.
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Good morning;

I also thank Matthias Paul for his efforts on behalf of the many Minolta Maxxum 9 and Dynax 9 owners, who did not learn of the past upgrades until they had passed. The work that he and others have done (and accomplished) is amazing.

Now. Is there any further word for those of us who do not have a Dynax 9 and live in Europe? How can we who may have a Maxxum 9 and live in other countries or on other continents participate in this opportunity?

Enjoy; Ralph Javins, Latte Land, Washington, US of A

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Ralph,

we are, of course, currently looking into possible ways to help those living outside of Europe and willing to upgrade their cameras as well, but it is way too early now to announce anything. There are still alot of things to be sorted out for a pan European upgrade service as well...

Dynax / Maxxum / Alpha, it's all the same and does not matter. But for legal reasons, Runtime cannot at present accept any goods from individual customers outside of Germany. They do accept mail from their business partners, of course. This is, how the upgrade will (or should) work at least in the European countries: Contact your local Sony / Konica Minolta authorized service facility and make sure they know about this special service plan (if not, tell them about it, and tell us they didn't knew), then send your camera to them. They will forward it to Runtime, and once they received it back, they will return the upgraded camera to your place.

Basically, it would be ideal, if this kind of cooperation could also be established for photographers outside of Europe. So, don't forget to tell your local Sony / Konica Minolta authorized service facility about this petition and its outcome. At least in theory, they should be able to forward the camera to Runtime as well. If they are willing to participate, they can and should discuss the details with Runtime. If not, try a different service center...

I don't know, but maybe Rick Clancy (Sony electronics blog, Sony USA) could help or point you in the right direction at least for the USA?

Again, we are still trying to sort out possibly more convenient options, but you all should try to make them move as well.

Greetings,

Matthias


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Post Options Post Options   Quote vbpholaw Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2009 at 17:09
Following up on earlier comments about my contacting a Sony rep I know, I met with him on Sunday afternoon. He agreed to raise the matter with Sony higher-ups, including Mark Weir, at some corporate meetings that will be taking place later this month in San Diego. He does not know specifically who at Sony in the U.S. would be the right person to address the SSM upgrade issue. He said it would be at least a few weeks before he might have something to report.

I guess my suggestion for others in the U.S. possibly interested in the SSM upgrade for their Maxxum 9 bodies, is to contact Sony in whatever way you might have accessible. There is a Sony blog (I don't have the URL, but assume it can be found fairly easily as it has been referenced in various discussion forums in the past). You may have a chance to see a Sony rep at a local demonstration event held by a retailer in your area (such as the event I attended on Sunday). Or you could try going through Sony's website to the extent it has "contact us" information, or calling Sony's support telephone service inquiring about the upgrade (of course they will know nothing about it, but the fact that someone called asking about it and saying that it's available in Europe, might get the person on the other end of the phone to mention it to the supervisor and it might slowly work its way up the chain (particularly if there is more than one call about it). You could even try contacting Mark Weir at Sony in San Diego if you can find out his e-mail address.
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Good morning;

     As an indication of progress in taking advantage of the probably last opportunity to get the Dynax 9 IC-1 Chip Upgrade, I can announce that my own Minolta Maxxum 9 (the Dynax 9 for North America), is on the first leg of its interesting journey to Runtime in Bremen.

     Learning of the effort last year that allowed about eight cameras to be upgraded, and the remarkable effort resulting in Runtime receiving from Sony the last remaining stock of the latest UC-1 chips for this upgrade, is impressive.

          Enjoy;

          Ralph Javins
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tarmacslider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2009 at 23:35
So how does a US nine owner go about the upgrade. Call the Netherlands service center? Thanks
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I have a Dynax 9, which I would like to convert to SSM, what is the cost of this conversion and what are the exact postal details to mi-fo?

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Hi,

as you are in the UK

United Kingdom JP Service Solutions Johnsons Photopia Ltd Technical Issues Contact Details:
Tel. 08700104107

Repair Contact Details:
Hempstalls Lane Newcastle Staffordshire ST5 0SW
Tel. +44 01782 753 366
web : http://www.jpss.co.uk

should be able to answer you all questions you have. They ship your cam to Runtime/Germany. The upgrade only costs 238,-Euro, VAT included.

Regards,
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@TARMACSLIDER

You got mail!

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I want call them cheap but they will be less expensive and of lower quality. Obviously because of there price point. I have yet to find anything cheap about photography. The SAM (Smooth Auto focus Motor) recently announced my Sony.

Today I got several calls regarding this and I figured I would ask the experts here. Will the ADI/SSM Update in the 9 control these lenses?
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I'm not sure why anyone would want to put a aps c lens on a full frame. I guess the news of new lenses sent some into a feeding frenzy. LOL
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Originally posted by AJ Gressette AJ Gressette wrote:

Will the ADI/SSM Update in the 9 control these lenses?

Actually, this question has been raised in alot of places. Right now, we don't know the definite answer, as few people have hands-on experience with SAM lenses already, and those who have, didn't had access to a Dynax 9 SSM at the same time...

So far, we have confirmation (by two users), that SAM lenses do work on the DSLR-A900, DSLR-A700, DSLR-A100 and Dynax 7D.

SAM lenses do not have electronically controlled apertures, that is, they continue to depend on the electromechanical aperture link in the mount. This is good news IMHO, as this will buy us some time before Sony may switch to fully electronically controlled lenses (something that I'd like to see in special Tilt, Shift and bellows lenses, where there is no mechanical link anyway, but I definitely don't want to see this in any kind of "normal" lenses, as it would break compatibility with older camera bodies).

Since the mount does not appear to have changed, my best guess at present is that SAM lenses will work on all camera bodies supporting SSM lenses, including the Dynax 9 SSM. From a technically point of view, it should be transparent to the camera, if the lens is driven by a supersonic wave direct drive motor based on the Piezo effect (as in SSM lenses) or by an (presumably electrodynamically driven) rotary motor with gears (as with SAM lenses).

I'm raising another question here as well: Most (or even all so far?) SSM lenses can be used on older camera bodies not supporting SSM lenses. Autofocus is not supported, of course, but focus confirmation in the viewfinder is still functional. I can confirm this from personal experience with the Sony Alpha 2.8/70-200mm G SSM and Sony Alpha Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 2.8/24-70mm ZA SSM mounted on the Minolta 9000 AF.
Mind, that first and second generation AF bodies featured only 5 electrical contacts in the mount. They could power the ROM chip in the lens, but they did not provide the 6V power supply for in-lens motors, as it was introduced with the xi-series and the revised A-mount with 8 electrical contacts. As long as the circuits in the lens necessary to communicate with the camera do not depend on this extra power supply, this will not cause any problems when trying to use modern (xi, (D), SSM, SAM) lenses with 8 contacts on old bodies with 5 contacts, only. Lens motors won't work and special functions won't be available, but all standard functions would continue to work fine. However, with the recent advent of compatible lenses from third parties such as Sigma (HSM), it is well possible, that their lens electronics may sometimes require the 6V power supply to be present as well. Such lenses would not work at all on first and second generation AF bodies.
So far, we don't know, if SAM lenses depend on the 6V supply or not. Technically, I see no reason, why Sony would have to give up compatibility here, but alot of issues with the Alpha cameras have been introduced by forgetfulness already, so we cannot be sure, until someone has a chance to try it out...

In either case, at present all SAM lenses are DT lenses and of very poor build quality, so this is no issue for us users of film bodies, anyway. But Sony does not release a new type of lens without a reason. Since SAM lenses are neither faster than screw-driver lenses, nor are they silent, nor do they provide better options for direct manual focussing, nor are they cheaper than a lens without built-in motor, the only reason I can think of, why a manufacturer would introduce such lenses, is when it plans to drop support for screw-driver AF in the not too distant future. That's why it may become important to know, if possible future full-frame SAM lenses would work on SSM capable film bodies such as the Dynax 9 SSM or not, and if they would work in manual focus on film bodies with only 5 lens contacts, such as the 9000 AF.

Greetings,

Matthias
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I am trying to upgrade my maxxum 9 and I have contacted both RunTime and Manpower Business Services with no luck as both will not accept my camera since I am not within the EU. I contacted JP Service Solutions as I do have a residence in the UK and will be traveling there next month. I am still waiting for their reply though and I hope they can help.

If it doesn't work out with JP, are there any other options for people outside of the EU? the local Sony service center in Kuwait is usually, from my experience, of no help.
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