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Topic: E-Mount (NEX) adapters Posted: 02 June 2012 at 16:21 |
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Perversely, one of my main reasons for getting a NEX 7 was to use non-native lenses on it via adapters. In the brief time I've owned the camera I've acquired a number of adapters and thought it might be worth posting some information here about them, with the thought that others may also be considering experimenting.
A lot of these adapters are available on Ebay – I've included pictures below that should enable people to identify if a particular adapter is the same as one they are considering buying... This is a work in progress - If other members have also used adapters and would like to write up their experience (good or bad) of these adapters or others, please post them in on this thread – that way we pass on our knowledge. ALPHA-NEX adapters LA EA1 This adapter is the original official Sony adapter to allow A-mount lenses to be used on NEX bodies. It seems to now be discontinued in the UK. It will allow the camera to recognise Minolta and Sony A-mount lenses and populate EXIF appropriately, but it will only AF with lenses that include their own motor (ie there is no slot-drive). SSM works better than SAM, but both are a little 'jittery' (although as it does not rely on phase-detection, it will still AF at very small maxium apertures – for instance a 70-300G with a x2 converter will still AF despite a max aperture of f11.0). Focus peaking is available with all lenses (SAM, SSM & Slot-drive). As the adapter closes down the aperture as part of the exposure, you view at full aperture. This means you lose out on DoF preview (which cannot be assigned to a button) and that exposures at anything other than full aperture gain a slight extra delay. Lenses and adapters that are not 'official' may not be recognized – My chipped m42 adapter does not get recognized in EXIF at all – but this is no great loss as there is no phase detect AF assist or Steady-shot inside to need the chip. The adapter is very well made with no exposed workings and with the interior lined with a flock non-reflecting surface. The lens release button is high quality and the adapter is supplied with a detachable tripod mount – this add-on is quite neat and gets left on with my set-up.
Minolta (AF) - NEX This is an adapter which allows you to mechanically stop down an Alpha-mount lens mounted to a NEX body. As it has no electrical connections, no AF is possible and no EXIF is recorded, but true DoF is previewed and manual focus is possible using focus peaking. The adapter body is well machined, the tab to release the Alpha-mount lens is not the greatest bit of engineering ever, but is simple enough to perform the function without leading to problems. The ring to control the aperture is broad and knurled with 7 positive click-stops to allow intermediate aperture settings plus the ability to set the ring to the extremes to get wide open and fully closed. Note that the adapter is not calibrated and you can only guess at the approximate f-stop by setting a number and looking at the width of the aperture – however, for whatever value you set, the NEX will work out a suitable shutter speed. Issues with this adapter start with the pin which actuates the aperture in the lens: the pin is formed by a long screw which is painted black over the threads; after a little use, this screw shows signs of the paint rubbing off in places – in effect this means that small particles of flaked-off paint will be roaming free in the space between the back of the lens and the (exposed) sensor. Another problem with the actuator pin is that it is long enough to foul m42 adapters – this may mean that it won't work with lenses that don't need external aperture control (and so don't have a deep channel in that part of the mount). The biggest problem is with the bayonet that fits onto the camera – while it looks well-contructed, it is phenomenally tight on the NEX 7 – so much so that I'm not planning on putting it on again for fear of creating undue wear on the camera mount. All of which is a shame, because otherwise it might be a good (and cheaper) alternative to the official LA-EA1. AF-NEX This is another adapter which allows you to mechanically stop down an Alpha-mount lens mounted to a NEX body. As it has no electrical connections, no AF is possible and no EXIF is recorded, but true DoF is previewed and manual focus is possible using focus peaking. The adapter body is well machined, the lens release is a bit strange looking but works fine in practice. The ring to control the aperture is knurled with two click-stop positions at either end of travel for closed and open (or as the engraving has it, 'Lock' and 'Open'); the open setting actually closes the aperture down very slightly, but not even as much as 1/3 of a stop – if you want fully open, the ring will sit at a position just after the click-stop. The diaphragm ring is smooth and dampened enough to stay in any intermediate position between open and fully closed. As with the other adapter I reviewed above you have to guess at the approximate f-stop by looking at the width of the aperture – however, for whatever value you set, the NEX will work out a suitable shutter speed. Like the other third-party NEX adapter, the aperture actuator is slightly too long to fit either of my m42 adapters, but the pin itself is smooth and does not suffer from paint rubs. Both the lens and camera bayonets fit well with no excess play. Quality is good, the only finish issues being the top of the bayonet latch pin and the red dot to orient the lens when mounting (see photo below). Neither of these causes any major issue. All in all, this adapter was well worth 17GBP, particularly as even the cheapest LA-EA1, only seems to be available for around 5 times the price (if you can find it now that it has discontinued). This adapter doesn't give you EXIF, AF with SAM/SSM lenses, or the excellent add-on tripod mount of the LA-EA1, but is a very practical alternative for slot-drive AF lenses, particularly macros (where manual focus is more usual and on-screen DoF is a boon).
Contax G - E mount adapters Contax G Zeiss lenses have the complication of requiring an adapter to supply a means of focusing the lenses, which do not have a manual focus ring – all focusing on Contax G cameras was controlled by the camera body via the same sort of slot-type physical connection as found in the original A-mount. Note that diaphragm control is not a feature of these adapters as the Contax G Zeiss lenses all feature manual diaphragms. KIPON C/G-NEX adapter and cheap look-alike CONTAX(G)-NEX Kipon produce an adapter complete with a narrow in-built focusing ring, there are a number of copies/knock-offs that copy the design. The Kipon is shown left in the pictures, with the look-alike (at 1/3 of the price) on the right. Note that the Kipon has a silver lens release button and that it also has a less coarse grip. Both adapters work, allowing focus throughout the range and both fit quite well on both lenses and camera body. Each features a sprung driver blade which will be pushed back into the adapter if the slot on the lens does not line-up exactly on mounting. Both allow the adapter to be kept on the body while a different Contax G lens is fitted. There are key quality differences between the two adapters, with the more expensive Kipon being far smoother in operation and having a far more comfortable grip. The comfortable grip is key with this style of adapter as it does take a fair amount of effort to turn the gearing of the the Contax lenses and the design of the lenses and the adapter means that the focusing ring must be narrow and close to the body of the camera. I think the smoothness of operation probably justifies the extra cost of the better-made Kipon version – however, the cheaper version might well provide a good platform for modification or enhancement. Metabones CONTAX G - E mount The Metabones Contax G adapters (seen above, back and front) take an alternative route to the Kipon-type adapters around the design constraints of the G lenses: their main feature is a much wider focusing ring which also extends much further forward than the one found on the Kipon. This provides far greater purchase for fingers. There are however, disadvantages that go with this alternative design – one is that the lens lock switch is on the back of the mount, so the adapter would need to be removed from the camera before another lens can be mounted. The driver blade is not sprung, so a little more care needs to be taken to ensure that the coupling goes together properly when mounting: altogether not a quick-change adapter for those with more than one Contax G lens. Another disadvantage is that the Metabones adapter is a bit more expensive than a genuine Kipon (so 4 times the price of the Kipon look-alike). Build is impressive although fit of the lens onto the adapter onto my 28mm Biogon is tight (the 90 Sonnar is a very good fit). Metabones make much of the smoothness of the action of this adapter, I found mine a little too stiff so removed some of the helicoid grease which left it a little more free-running. The width and repositioning of the grip really helps with the perception of smoothness and all-in all I’d say it was worth the price to make those lovely G Zeiss lenses a little more usable on a digital body. KONICA AR adapters Konica - NEX This is an adapter designed to allow the fitting of manual focus Konica Hexanon and other brand lenses using the Konica AR (Autoreflex) bayonet mount. As it has no electrical connections, no EXIF is recorded. The Konica AR bayonet used an unusually small film-to-flange distance for full frame meaning that these lenses were impossible to attach to any conventional APS-C (or full-frame) dSLR – hence they have been an 'untapped' resource. The adapter itself is a black-anodized tube with a knurled ring. The lens release button is a reasonable size with a positive action. The adapter fits well on the NEX body, but the Hexanon lenses tend to fit with a bit of play: this does not make much of a practical difference in use, but does affect the esthetics of using the adapter a little. LEICA 'M' adapters Pixoo L(M)-NEX
M42 & M39 screw thread adapters
MINOLTA SR (a.k.a MC or MD) adapters MD - NEX This is an adapter designed to allow the fitting of manual focus Minolta/Rokkor SR mount lenses (aka MC/MD). As it has no electrical connections, no EXIF is recorded. As SR mount lenses have a smaller film-to-flange distance than the Alpha mount, it was impossible to fit these lenses to previous dSLR bodies without use of an adapter containing a glass element which acted as a mild tele-converter. The adapter itself is a black-anodized tube with a knurled ring. The lens release button is rather small and a little uncomfortable to use, but works with a positive action. The adapter fits well on the NEX body, and fit for SR-mount lenses is also good, but it is unacceptably tight on the a7 Mk 2 (which has an all metal bayonet). K&F Concept 'Copper' MD - NEX This adapter is designed to allow the fitting of manual focus Minolta Rokkor SR mount lenses (also known as MC mount or MD mount) to e-mount bodies. I got this adapter after buying the a7M2 and finding that the older MD-NEX adapter I had for the NEX-7 was rather uncomfortably tight on the a7 bayonet. This is K&F’s ‘Copper’ quality adapter, which has a separate chromed brass e-mount bayonet screwed into the back of the (substantial) anodised aluminium tube. The push button for lens release is nice and broad and the adapter is weighty enough to make you realise you have spent the extra £2 reasonably wisely. The SR bayonet on the front is only held on by three screws (similar to other ‘MD-NEX adapters), but the whole bayonet seems very secure. A nice step up on the quality of the unbranded MD-NEX adapter I was using before (see above). Zhongyi Lens Turbo MD-NEX
EzFoto Tilt Minolta MD MC Lens
Nikon F adapters Roxen Nikon F
OLYMPUS OM adapters OM-NEX adapter This is an adapter designed to allow the fitting of manual focus Olympus OM mount lenses. As it has no electrical connections, no EXIF is recorded. OM mount lenses have a larger film-to-flange distance than the Alpha mount, but not by much, so no commercial OM/Alpha adapters were widely available. The adapter itself is a black-anodized tube with a knurled ring. There is no lens release button, as this is incorporated into the OM lenses themselves. A small tab inside the adapter holds the aperture acuator against its spring (OM mount lenses are open at rest and only normally close to the set f-stop when the actuator is triggered by the OM system camera during exposure). The adapter fits well on the NEX body, and fit for OM-mount lenses is also good. KIPON OM-NEX
E-Mount extension tubes
Adapters on the camera Below is a picture of the first 4 of the above adapters on the NEX 7 with a 'standard' lens. These are from L-R, Sony 50/f1.4, Minolta Rokkor 45/f2.0, Olympus Zuiko 50/f1.8 and Konica Hexanon 40/f1.8. The Rokkor 45 and the Hexanon 40 are quite shallow lenses, although as you can see, nothing is very shallow when perched atop an adapter :-) Edited by Bob J - 05 May 2018 at 12:57 |
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Alex H
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Thank You, Bob, this is very helpful.
I am using several adapters on my NEX including M42 and EOS with tripod mounts. I must say the tripod mount on the EOS adapter gets loose under the weight of some not that heavy lenses. I even replaced the screws that attach the tripod mount to the adapter tube with better ones and still it gets very wobbly after few minutes of use. The tripod mount on M42 adapter is still strong, but who knows for how long. I might be able to trace back who exactly did I get these adapters from from eBay, if it is of any help. Alex |
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Hi Bob,
very interesting article I will probably add my experience with one adapter for the LTM/M-39 mount and Minolta SR mount. FYI the Minolta MD 45/2 Rokkor is not a pancake lens even if people try to call it that. Minolta made the Minolta SR 45/2.8 Rokkor-TD that is a true pancake. You can see the difference between the two lenses in the image bellow. http://photo.net/sony-minolta-slr-system-forum/00VIyo |
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Thanks Bob. I might add photos of mine if I get around to it. I have the M39, M42, LA-EA2, Nikon, Pentax 110. The benefit of having the Nikon is that adapters for my medium format lenses (Pentax 645 and Mamiya 645) are most readily available in the Nikon version. I have yet to spring for any Bronica adapters but would love to get some. The problem is that each of my four Bronica cameras has a different mount!
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Great initiative Bob. For me also the attraction of the NEX is being a digital back for old lenses I have. However I'm also more and more appreciating just taking the NEX and kit zoom as a very small and portable package.
Let me add a few more titbits on adapters and other NEX/E-mount accesories. First two which you have already covered: LA-EA1, but where I use it most is to for M42 lenses by including a M42 to A-mount adapter. Only strange thing is that even if the M42 adapter is chipped it doesn't pass on any of the chip info to the NEX. It just shows the same as "no lens attached", i.e no focal length info and f 1,0. For the rest no complaints, works like a charm this way. Second a Olympus OM adapter, but mine is made by Kipon, slightly more expensive than the normal ones (~60 $) but it is very well made and has a tripod mount (which is why I chose it) And now some more stuff: First a Leica M to E-mount. The brand I have is Pixoo, well made and both the male and female mount are nice and smooth, and absolutely no play when locked in place. Since rangefinder lenses have a much shorter registration distance this adapter is much smaller. So my little Leica M 35/2.8 Summaron remains still small on a NEX. Not quite a pancake but very pocketable The last contribution is about E-mount extension tubes. I found them for 7$ from a Chinese ebay seller and by adding 2$ shipping cost I had them in house 8 days after ordering. They have no electrical contacts, so don't work with native E-mount lenses, because the aperture stays at the smallest/closed value. However for all the manual lenses one might use this is of no concequence. The different pieces fit together with a screw mount. The shortest set-up is 15,5 mm when you screw together the male and female E-mounts. Then you can fit other pieces inbetween that have screw mount on both sides. The three that come with the set are 7, 14 and 28 mm. Mechanically they're OK, all metal (aluminum I think) but probably you want to be careful with the screw mounts between the pieces. A grain of sand or not mounting them exactly straight can probably ruin the threads quickly. However for this price I have no complaints. Both the male and female E-mounts are smooth and fit without any play. One last thing to mention is that the manufacturing of all the screw threads is not with tight tolerances with regard to ensuring your aperture notch and focus scale is at the top of the lens. Expect them to be all around at different places depending on which pieces you actually fit together. Edited by pegelli - 03 June 2012 at 15:11 |
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I also have that Pixco M adapter and am very happy with it. I have the Fotodiox MD/MC and it has been good so far with the 3 MD/MC lenses I use. I am not as confident in my Fotodiox F adapter since the 50/1.2 seems to focus fine but the 35/1.4 will not focus to infinity.
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Excellent article!! Thanks for sharing everybody ;)
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AF-NEX adapter
This is another adapter which allows you to mechanically stop down an Alpha-mount lens mounted to a NEX body. As it has no electrical connections, no AF is possible and no EXIF is recorded, but true DoF is previewed and manual focus is possible using focus peaking. The adapter body is well machined, the lens release is a bit strange looking but works fine in practice. The ring to control the aperture is knurled with two click-stop positions at either end of travel for closed and open (or as the engraving has it, 'Lock' and 'Open'); the open setting actually closes the aperture down very slightly, but not even as much as 1/3 of a stop – if you want fully open, the ring will sit at a position just after the click-stop. The diaphragm ring is smooth and dampened enough to stay in any intermediate position between open and fully closed. As with the other adapter I reviewed above you have to guess at the approximate f-stop by looking at the width of the aperture – however, for whatever value you set, the NEX will work out a suitable shutter speed. Like the other third-party NEX adapter, the aperture actuator is slightly too long to fit either of my m42 adapters, but the pin itself is smooth and does not suffer from paint rubs. Both the lens and camera bayonets fit well with no excess play. Quality is good, the only finish issues being the top of the bayonet latch pin and the red dot to orient the lens when mounting (see photo below). Neither of these causes any major issue. All in all, this adapter was well worth 17GBP, particularly as even the cheapest LA-EA1, only seems to be available for around 5 times the price (if you can find it now that it has discontinued). This adapter doesn't give you EXIF, AF with SAM/SSM lenses, or the excellent add-on tripod mount of the LA-EA1, but is a very practical alternative for slot-drive AF lenses, particularly macros (where manual focus is more usual and on-screen DoF is a boon). |
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That hasn’t been an issue for me. Initially, I got an M42-NEX adapter and realized later that I could do without it, go M42-MA to LAEA1. That is how I use my M42 lenses on NEX-3, and get the EXIF. I do have a different issue, and this is with James Lao multi-exif M42-MA adapter (28mm, 85mm, 135mm and 300mm). The adapter works as advertised on A55, where I can toggle thru the focal lengths. However, when put on LA-EA1, I can’t toggle thru and end up with 28mm. Now only if we got chipped adapters to NEX as well. I also have C-mount (no lens to use right now), and MD-NEX (currently Kiron 70-150/f4.0 which is about to be replaced with Vivitar Series I 70-210/f2.8-4.0 Komine version). |
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Please note that I've updated the original posting to incorporate any specific reviews posted subsequently - Adapters are now grouped alphabetically, with Alpha first, followed by Konica, Leica, Minolta and Olympus... Wou;d be very interested to get further reviews/opinions on the adapters featured so far, and also n other adapters people might have for these or other mounts.
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Thanks- I'm finding this to be a useful resource. I've only got two adapters at the moment (LA-EA1 & a MD-NEX) and really have little to add to your descriptions as yet. While I appreciate that the LA-EA1 isn't as functional as the LA-EA2, it's compact & well-made. I'm now also of the opinion that most adapters do benefit from having a tripod-attachment option. |
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I'm a NEX newbie and have only just started to play with it. I have purchase four adapters so far from two different suppliers; rainbowimaging and big_is. I split between the two because I didn't want to buy all I need from one and have a problem, and one of them didn't have one type needed. The big_is are shipped from China and the rainbowimaging from NYC, although most certainly made in China. I prefer paying a few dollars more to have them shipped from NYC to arrive more quickly. I have received the rainbowimaging adapters for Minolta MD and Konica mounts and am pleased enough to purchase any future adapters from them. I have one very simple criterion for them - to fit snugly, and these do. The fit is secure on both the camera and lens side. Build quality seems good and since they don't do anything but join the two pieces of hardware, they're just fine for my needs. From my experience with M42 to A-mount adapters, infinity is always at question. The tricky thing about infinity is that while you can figure out if it goes past infinity, you might never know if it stops just short of perfect. In the case of these two adapters, and at least with the lenses I've trialed so far, focus goes past infinity. This is okay with me because I'd rather deal with that than have a lens compromised because the adapter stopped it just short. I'll report on the big_is when they arrive, but I suspect they are well known by now.
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Thank you for this valuable information. I am considering the purchase of a NEX camera body. However, I require significant PRACTICAL information about details, specifications etc. This thread will be extremely helpful.
Greatly appreciated. JL |
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Just a bump to appeal for anyone to post their NEX adapter experiences or reviews here... the value of topics like this as a resource increases the wider the range of opinions we get.
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