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    Posted: 12 July 2019 at 09:29
Within the last year I have updated my camera equipment with purchasing Sony RX10 IV and replacing α7R with α7R III and α99 with α99 II. Recently I noticed that this has meant that disk space usage has increased significantly: namely I am using external 1 TB SSD to carry recent shots since the 256 GB SSD within my laptop fills up easily, earlier I seemed to be able to carry around little more than one year's pictures on this external disk, now just the other day I had to clear remaining pictures from last year to have sufficient space to store the latest shots.
And no need to worry, these were not the only copies of these files, the primary storage for my photos is HDDs in desktop computers (the master copy is my computer in Helsinki and the backups are in a computer at my parents' place in Kuusankoski).

But still this increasing disk usage has made me little anxious and I have started to ponder if I should take some action to cope with this trend.

The straight-forward quick solution is obviously to just expand disk space, I have already recently added larger HDDs to the desktop and perhaps I should also update that external SSD into bigger one and maybe also replace the laptop's internal SSD with a larger one.

Another simple solution would be to take fewer pictures, but I guess that is not going to happen as I enjoy photography a lot.

Of course, one plausible approach would be also to make tighter cull after shooting and only keep really good shots. Still, part of me thinks that I might make too hasty conclusions and delete too many worthy pictures.

Somewhat related, I have started to think if my choice of image settings and workflow could be improved: I primarily still use RAW+JPEG (and the latter in X.FINE quality if available) since that I used already with KonicaMinolta Dynax 7D as it had some playback restrictions (eg. no zoom) with RAW files. And I primarily work with JPEGs and only occasionally open RAW files when I decide to make more significant image editing. Maybe I should delete most of those RAWs that I never touch and perhaps even shoot with JPEG only in the first place. Or switch to some sort of new workflow.

So, does anybody have any alternative suggestions or hints to cope with the increasing disk space usage?
 



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Forgot one option I have started to think: downgrading my E mount cameras as I am not sure I actually need these 42 megapixel monsters (α7R II & III) since I primarily use my photos for on-screen viewing rather than printing in large sizes. Ok, I guess if I swapped either of the α7Rs into α9 that wouldn't be exactly "downgrade" either...
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You should pick up A7s (II)

Some observations:
Do you use compressed or uncompressed RAW's? The way you describe your usage, compressed RAW's would be good enough.

RAW's are much more flexible, using modern software on old pictures will often result in better pictures. I would not throw them away.

Storage is cheap. You can get an internal 1Tb SSD for less then 125,- and an external one for less then 150,-. Going for normal HDD's is even cheaper.

But then, this is a good excuse to get the A9

TLDR: use cRAW and add storage IMO.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

You should pick up A7s (II)
In case of changing the cameras into lower resolution ones, the ones I currently would consider are α7 III and α9 and perhaps some new APS-C model that would offer both the latest AF innovations and sensor stabilization.
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Some observations:
Do you use compressed or uncompressed RAW's? The way you describe your usage, compressed RAW's would be good enough.
Yep, already using compressed RAWs...
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:


RAW's are much more flexible, using modern software on old pictures will often result in better pictures. I would not throw them away.
...and probably if I would delete RAWs, that would be from less important pics that are more of just memories than serious creative works.
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Boy do I know it, and that's still shooting a 24Mp A77!
Do all my storing and editing on a laptop with a 1Tb internal drive (apart from external backups that is) and I'm constantly running out of space. My 500Gb photo partition is currently sitting at 13.5Gb free space so I can't even head out and fill my one 16Gb SD card without running into hassles.

So what I do is go back in Lightroom and cull hard from time to time, shots I haven't found worthy of a process after a few months get binned unless it's a lifer bird or family shots I can't re-create again.
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My 5 cents: I would never let my storage set my camera MP's and what storage format I use. I'd adapt the storage to whatever your shooting (and processing) habits are.

Personally I only shoot raw and once on my computer I delete (technically) failed images but the ones that are technically acceptable all remain but the ones I think could be deleted as well (wrong composition/subject/facial expression/......) get a black flag.

After a few days/weeks I cull the black flags after an additional review and delete most of them but in a few cases remove the flag and keep the file.

That way I end up with somwhere 2/3 of the files I keep.

However I have also decided that for my needs 24 MP's is sufficient (set by the biggest print size I use), but if I would have newer/bigger 42 MP camera my storage strategy would not change, just more (or larger) drives to keep what I want to keep. Also if I would shoot raw + jpg or only jpg this storage strategy would not change.
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Originally posted by Hezu Hezu wrote:


So, does anybody have any alternative suggestions or hints to cope with the increasing disk space usage?


First of all, SSD's are quick but better suited to reading than writing. So, if you edit a lot a normal HDD is better suited and cheaper.
Further, i agree with Pieter, just go use the 7Riii/A99ii but delete all Raw files of photo's you are not going to edit anymore. Finally, 2 TB HDD's are available in 2.5" format. So usable in a laptop and as a external with power via USB. I also use these configurations. Only downside is, it takes a looong time to make a backup of the internal HDD.
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Originally posted by MichelvA MichelvA wrote:

First of all, SSD's are quick but better suited to reading than writing. So, if you edit a lot a normal HDD is better suited and cheaper.
Further, i agree with Pieter, just go use the 7Riii/A99ii but delete all Raw files of photo's you are not going to edit anymore. Finally, 2 TB HDD's are available in 2.5" format. So usable in a laptop and as a external with power via USB. I also use these configurations. Only downside is, it takes a looong time to make a backup of the internal HDD.
Actually SSDs can have also fast write times, however it is entirely possible that there is some other bottleneck that slows down the write operations, eg. some memory card readers are attached via USB 2 and then it quite irrelevant what sort of disk is the destination. The other useful feature of SSDs when used in conjuction of a laptop is that SSDs are nearly immune for mechanical failures as there is no moving parts. SSDs come also in form factors (mSATA and M.2) that are small in size, for exemple this external mSATA enclosure I use is roughly same size as a match box and the only storage space in this thin 13" ASUS laptop is in M.2 format.
Of course, SSDs still cost more than traditional mechanical HDDs, especially in larger capacities and therefor the data disks in my desktop computers are still HDDs.
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Originally posted by Hezu Hezu wrote:

... I primarily still use RAW+JPEG (and the latter in X.FINE quality if available) ... And I primarily work with JPEGs and only occasionally open RAW files when I decide to make more significant image editing. Maybe I should delete most of those RAWs that I never touch and perhaps even shoot with JPEG only in the first place.

Maybe. I shoot at least 95% JPEG (in Fine quality) with my Sony cameras, maybe more, because I almost never need a RAW file for anything. JPEG storage has not been an issue for me, but RAW versions of every image would.
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