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Post Options Post Options   Quote analytical Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2012 at 17:54
He's pointing out that image is not "out of the camera." It is a resized copy has been processed by something.

exiftool says the jpg was created by "Microsoft Live Photo Gallery 15.4.3508"

Lens name could have been interpreted there or by Photobucket upload processor.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote robertsmx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2012 at 18:20
Originally posted by analytical analytical wrote:

He's pointing out that image is not "out of the camera." It is a resized copy has been processed by something.

exiftool says the jpg was created by "Microsoft Live Photo Gallery 15.4.3508"

Lens name could have been interpreted there or by Photobucket upload processor.

I got that snarky/sarcastic remark (hence posted a still smaller version in the response).

Cropped, yes. And loaded to Photobucket (hence 800px wide). But ultimately, the camera is recording the EXIF (there is no way any software can figure out the lens without the camera passing down the information). In other words, A55 is recognizing the lens.

Do you find it unbelievable that A55 is recognizing the lens?

Edited by robertsmx - 27 February 2012 at 18:28
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Serdar A Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2012 at 18:41
Originally posted by robertsmx robertsmx wrote:

I got that snarky/sarcastic remark (hence posted a still smaller version in the response).

Could you explain why you thought my question was snarky/sarcastic? It was a plain and straightforward question.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote robertsmx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2012 at 18:43
Originally posted by Serdar A Serdar A wrote:

Originally posted by robertsmx robertsmx wrote:

I got that snarky/sarcastic remark (hence posted a still smaller version in the response).

Could you explain why you thought my question was snarky/sarcastic? It was a plain and straightforward question.

Why did you ask? Perhaps I incorrectly assumed that you knew that Sony SLTs don't have a 800x532 image size setting, and your question was indeed innocent. In that case, I apologize. It just came across as that because you're a major contributor to this forum, so it was easy to assume that you would be aware.

Edited by robertsmx - 27 February 2012 at 18:47
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Serdar A Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2012 at 19:10
I only have an A850 and I do not claim to be an expert on even that camera. I do shoot raw, so I do not not about any of the in-camera jpg settings.

Reason for the first question: I have played with the exiftool extensively and my intention was to download the jpg file you uploaded and run exiftool on it to extract the lens id information. I was surprised to find out that the image was actually smaller than 16MP.

Reason for the second question: Your response to that would help me phrase my questions differently so that it does not appear snarky/sarcastic next time.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote eccles Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2012 at 19:33
It's feasible that Sigma have used the same lensid as the Sony 18-250mm. Robertsmx, if you can find out the lensid number, which will be a 3 to 5 digit integer, it may explain why your A55 recognises it correctly.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote robertsmx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2012 at 19:44
Originally posted by eccles eccles wrote:

It's feasible that Sigma have used the same lensid as the Sony 18-250mm. Robertsmx, if you can find out the lensid number, which will be a 3 to 5 digit integer, it may explain why your A55 recognises it correctly.

That is a possibility, and it would make sense to keep the same lens ID. However, the only other Sony lens I have at this time is SAL1650 SSM. With that lens, the EXIF shows up with "DT" prefix as in this case:
Camera Maker: SONY
Camera Model: SLT-A55V
Lens: DT 16-50mm F2.8 SSM
Image Date: 2012-01-22 21:05:07 (no TZ)
Focal Length: 16.0mm (35mm equivalent: 24mm)
Aperture: f/11.0
Exposure Time: 10.000 s
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May be not all Sony lens IDs are tagged with DT for prefix.

Originally posted by Serdar A Serdar A wrote:

I only have an A850 and I do not claim to be an expert on even that camera. I do shoot raw, so I do not not about any of the in-camera jpg settings.

Reason for the first question: I have played with the exiftool extensively and my intention was to download the jpg file you uploaded and run exiftool on it to extract the lens id information. I was surprised to find out that the image was actually smaller than 16MP.

Reason for the second question: Your response to that would help me phrase my questions differently so that it does not appear snarky/sarcastic next time.

Never mind. I shouldn't have assumed that you were aware of image size settings in Sony SLT/DSLR cameras. The smaller size of the attached images is due to limited size allowed on the image hosting website. I am guessing a pro-membership would allow for full resolution image. And in any case, I wouldn't post full size images to share anyway because the point was about information being passed from camera to the image itself, not whether the image has been re-sized/cropped or not.

Edited by robertsmx - 27 February 2012 at 19:48
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JosR Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2012 at 19:49
For the newer cameras, like the A77, the camera stores not only the Lens-ID in the Exif-Makernotes data, but also other lens information: see this Dyxum topic
http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/topic81142.html
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Post Options Post Options   Quote eccles Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2012 at 20:06
@Robertsmx can you tell us the lensid of the Sigma 18-250mm? JosR's link should help, alternatively if you have Photoshop use the file info option.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote robertsmx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2012 at 20:30
Originally posted by eccles eccles wrote:

@Robertsmx can you tell us the lensid of the Sigma 18-250mm? JosR's link should help, alternatively if you have Photoshop use the file info option.

Sure. Will do so tonight. I'm assuming Sony IDC makes it easy for a look up.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mikey2000 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2012 at 21:10
My Sigma 18-250 (OS HSM), 3 monts old reports ID 128 from a .ARW file taken on my a77. I used alphalensinfo and exiftool for this.

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Originally posted by robertsmx robertsmx wrote:


Cropped, yes. And loaded to Photobucket (hence 800px wide). But ultimately, the camera is recording the EXIF (there is no way any software can figure out the lens without the camera passing down the information). In other words, A55 is recognizing the lens.

Sorry, but that does not prove that the a55 is recognizing the lens.

It only proves that it passes the lens ID number down to the image. It doesn't have to know the lens to do that.

What you see is probably exiftool extracting the lens ID number from the image and translating it to a lens name.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote robertsmx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2012 at 21:58
Originally posted by Allan Olesen Allan Olesen wrote:

Originally posted by robertsmx robertsmx wrote:


Cropped, yes. And loaded to Photobucket (hence 800px wide). But ultimately, the camera is recording the EXIF (there is no way any software can figure out the lens without the camera passing down the information). In other words, A55 is recognizing the lens.

Sorry, but that does not prove that the a55 is recognizing the lens.

It only proves that it passes the lens ID number down to the image. It doesn't have to know the lens to do that.

What you see is probably exiftool extracting the lens ID number from the image and translating it to a lens name.


But that is how any camera lens is identified, via lens ID. It can't be mere coincidence that the lens ID attached to Sigma 18-250 happens to coincide with just ONE other 18-250/3.5-6.3 lens on A-Mount (Sony 18-250). There's no reason to have a dedicated lens id for every lens in existence. As a matter of fact, even Sony and Minolta lenses share lens IDs.

Edited by robertsmx - 27 February 2012 at 22:01
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Post Options Post Options   Quote eccles Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2012 at 22:40
Originally posted by mikey2000 mikey2000 wrote:

My Sigma 18-250 (OS HSM), 3 monts old reports ID 128 from a .ARW file taken on my a77. I used alphalensinfo and exiftool for this.

Cheers


Thanks Mikey. That scotches my theory then as Sony's 18-250 has ID:50 and Tamron's has ID:255. The Sigma shares IDs with several other Sigma and Tamron lenses according to http://www.equational.org/importphotos/lenses.txt

All this matters little with cameras apart from A77, A850 and A900 as they don't have AF micro-adjustment.
However, it would make sense for A77/A850/A900 owners to examine the above table before buying 3rd party lenses, especially if you already have Sony or Minolta lenses that share IDs of your potential purchase and they have had AF correction entered into the camera.
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