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    Posted: 25 August 2010 at 21:28
I've had my a850 for a couple months now, and one thing I sorely miss is the L-Type focusing screen I had in my a700.

I can get a Sony L Screen for around $40.

I have been looking into a couple other options and the Brightscreen sounds interesting. With the Brightscreen I would get microprism and a microcollar focusing aides as well as true rule of 3rd crop marks ... for $209.

I've never used a camera with micro prism / micro collar focus aides so I'm not sure if I'd find it all that useful. It is kinda rare I use manual focus but I do pause a lot before pushing that shutter button all the way down and take 3 or 4 images to select the most sharp.

The 2 questions in the back of my head:

1. since I'm almost totally autofocus, would the focus aides be distracting and cause me to curse a $200 purcahse?

2. even with autofocus, would the aides help me decide whether or not my image was infocus and if I should push the shutter the rest of the way?


Hmmmm ... Brightscreen or Sony L

Edited by crlowryjr - 25 August 2010 at 21:31
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zk-cessnaguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 August 2010 at 00:17
I'm wondering if the Brightscreen may cause you metering problems in Spot Metering mode? I know there is an issue with the split screen/microprism collar focussing screen I have fitted in my 7D (which is my primary manual lens body).

My call would be get the Sony L screen. Reasons being cost, utility and also considering you are not a regular manual lens user.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote camelriders Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 August 2010 at 05:40
I've been looking into this for my 900 and although I never finished my research the end result is that these screens are not as rosy as they sound and they cause metering issues.

Google this and you'll hit a few other sites and their forums before you make any decisions.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote utcreeper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 August 2010 at 06:07
I've been happy with my L, but I think it also depends on what/how you shoot. I would think the prism collar would distract me most of the time.. BUT.. if I had oh say, a 135STF I'd likely consider it more.
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I am a focusing screen user and Love it (BUT).

Yes, there are some problems with spot metering, so I use center weight and malty metering. But to me it is worth it because I manual focus about 80% of the time, and that percentage is going up as I get better and faster at it. The focusing screen is just that much more accurate then auto focus, that I keep going back to it.

It is very much a taste thing, you will like it or hate it. If you really want to try a focusing screen, go to focusing screens . com and order a cheaper model for about $40.00, if it's something that takes your fancy, then go for the Brightscreen. The one thing about focusing screens is, they are easily fully reversible.

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As an aside; why isn't there a focusing screen available with rule of 3rds grid markings?


Edited by Zack - 26 August 2010 at 07:11
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I've been researching this for about a month myself, and can't really draw much of a conclusion (some people speak so highly of it, it's like the best thing you can do for your camera, and some people are 'bleck'.)

Grids are pretty much a given for me ... I was sold on the grid the moment I brought it to my eye. My compositions have improved dramatically because I'm more aware of the symetry. I would like a rule of 3rds or a golden ratio grid instead of Sony's generic grid ... but not enough to pay 5x as much for it ; p

The one and only reason I'm contemplating the MP/MC screen is that I want to be able to determine if autofocus hit the spot. I really like shallow DOF and often find the autofocus has landed not where I had hoped. This has lead to me snapping off 4+ shots sometimes, just to be safe and then selecting my favorite while deleting the rest.

What do I shoot ... most of the time it's statues, and carvings in real crappy lighting ... things that haven't moved in a few hundred years, and I can take my time to get the shot I want.

The flipside to that ... I also like taking environmental potraits or candid potraits ... no posing, just walking up and snapping a shot often before the person even notices me. In these instances I have almost no time to focus so it needs to be spot on, and pretty quick (which is why I use auto). I end up throwing a good 50% of these away because I ended up with focus on a nostril, or a stray hair, or the person behind them, etc ... F2.2 ~ F4 most of the time.

For the statues, etc ... I suspect I could end up using manual as I really try to take my time, but so far my experiments with manual result in pretty low successes. This is a huge assumption on my part though.

I may just flip a coin ; p

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Post Options Post Options   Quote romke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 August 2010 at 08:56
if you are nearly 100% AF, there is no need to get a different screen that would ease MF. The standard Sony L type will do the job.

when you do a lot of manual focusing with fast lenses the Sony M screen is a great investment.

unfortunately you cannot have both lines and better MF in the same screen.

i have no experience with costly third party screens. exposure is something to worry about, it might well be that some adjustments need to be made, depending on the method of metering.

lines can be a great help if you want things exactly vertical and horizontal. not all aberrations can be rectified in PP.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Kirby Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 August 2010 at 13:59
Originally posted by Zack Zack wrote:


As an aside; why isn't there a focusing screen available with rule of 3rds grid markings?


The Sony Type L focussing screen is marked in sixths horizontally and fourths vertically. Every other sixth is a third.

Link to B&H page showing picture of the grid.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Ocular Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 August 2010 at 14:22
Originally posted by Kirby Kirby wrote:

Originally posted by Zack Zack wrote:


As an aside; why isn't there a focusing screen available with rule of 3rds grid markings?


The Sony Type L focussing screen is marked in sixths horizontally and fourths vertically. Every other sixth is a third.

Link to B&H page showing picture of the grid.


Yup, that's how it works. I'm using the L Screen on my A900. It works great for me. Helps with keeping things squared.
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I purchased the Brightscreen (split with microprism collar with no grid lines) last Nov for my a850. I use several manual focus alternative lenses, and I recall how much I enjoyed a split screen from the time before autofocus was available. When I purchased, the screen wasn't available with the "tabs" of a Sony stock screen. I had movement problems and contacted Brightscreen's owner. He developed a tabbed version, but I don't believe it's identical to the stock tabs.

In addition to the movement, I had problems with metering. I couldn't establish a standard variance that could be remedied with EV compensation. I returned my screen for a refund.

I have nothing but good things to say about Brightscreen's owner. You can purchase and try the screen without fear of return problems. I now use a dedicated Sekonic spot meter, and assuming the split screen has no movement, I may give it another shot; although I've been reasonably happy with the Sony type "M" screen (especially with an anglefinder VN at 2X), and there always seems another place to drop $200.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote crlowryjr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 August 2010 at 22:57
Thanks Graham ... I had read your posts on other forums as well and you're the reason I paused instead of made an impulse purchase : )

Romke ... you reminded me of something. The Brightscreen can be had in a matte surface with the rule of thirds (same $209 price). I wonder if that would be the same as a Sony M + L? I have pretty much decided to still with the L though.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote groovyone Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 August 2010 at 02:09
I have the Sony L and M screens. The M has been in most of the time since I have been using my primes a lot. I like the L though, and may swap that back in for a landscape workshop.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Zack Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 August 2010 at 16:54
Originally posted by Kirby Kirby wrote:

Originally posted by Zack Zack wrote:


As an aside; why isn't there a focusing screen available with rule of 3rds grid markings?


The Sony Type L focussing screen is marked in sixths horizontally and fourths vertically. Every other sixth is a third.

Link to B&H page showing picture of the grid.


Yes I'm aware of that, but that's not 'rule of thirds' is it? That would require dissection into three vertically also.
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