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Forget the Magic Lantern Guide -- it was written, most believe, without any hands on at all and appears to be a rough and at times inaccurate rehash of the manual.
Not to belittle Friendman's book, in the broader scheme it remains a guide most useful to people who have either little SLR or digtital experience. And that is what it was intended to be and does very, very well.
If you want to get into things in more detail, you will have to buy lots of books and they won't be brand specific. It is my belief that Friedman explains as much as you really need to know about the principles of AS and ZM -- the rest can be figured by referencing against your own use of those facilities and, as you say, from websites such as this. Remember there's not much cost involved in experimenting.
Friedman writes in a pleasant, conversational style and illustrates what he talks about in a very good way.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote jeditim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 March 2006 at 14:48
Originally posted by brettania brettania wrote:

Forget the Magic Lantern Guide -- it was written, most believe, without any hands on at all and appears to be a rough and at times inaccurate rehash of the manual.

Remember there's not much cost involved in experimenting.
Friedman writes in a pleasant, conversational style and illustrates what he talks about in a very good way.


Cameron,
I think the above summarizes it the best. I previously had a Magic Lantern Guide for my 7xi and it was a waste of money. It was almost exactly what was written in the camera manual. If you read the manual you do not need the guide.

The Friedman book does not look to replace the manual and it tells you that in the first couple of pages. What it does is explain some of the functions and their use to the photographer in an easy to understand format. I liked the book and have read it twice...however, as you said, experimenting would in itself give you a lot of information.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote lustron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 March 2006 at 15:25
the Friedman book is truly a bargain, $20 USD for a full color download that you can read on your computer or print out as you see fit. In view of the considerable investment everyone here has made in cameras and equipment, this is a trivial expense regardless of how much or how little you get out of it. And as for an earlier concern someone had about Mr. Friedman's boosterism for KM, I would suggest that it is his enthusiasm that separates his book from the host of impersonal guides and tutorials that abound.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Kevint Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 March 2006 at 14:20
Originally posted by X-R-M X-R-M wrote:

Gary Friedman is preparing appendix to his book.


Just got the new Appendix B - thanks Gary. It's a quick reference of guidelines for special shooting situations covering fireworks, waterfalls, concerts, nightime, snow, outdoor portraits, street, sunsets, moon, nightime sports, christmas lights, candlelight and how to get the best results without computer manipulation. Simple reference with lots of good information.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote lustron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 March 2006 at 15:50
The appendix B "update" is another reason to own the Friedman book. While his cover email didn't bring us any startling news, he is obviously keeping close tabs on the KM - Sony situation. Considering his contacts, he's probably one of the more reliable sources of info.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ajm80031 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 March 2006 at 16:09
How did you guys receive the update? I don't see anything about it listed on Gary's page about the book. As a buyer of the hard copy book should I have gotten some sort of notification?
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote lustron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 March 2006 at 16:19
here's the link (he sent an email)

(deleted by Brettania -- if you have purchased the book and not received the appendix, then email Gary)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Kevint Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 March 2006 at 16:21
I didn't post the link as I wasn't sure whether the update was only for paying customers - I think Gary e-mailed all those that have purchased.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Saratoga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 March 2006 at 17:02
If you ask GF nicely I am sure he will put the contents of the email either here or on his website but without the relevant link ;)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ajm80031 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 March 2006 at 19:07
Okay, I haven't gotten an email about the update (purchased a physical book through Lulu) so I sent an email to the address on Gary's main page. Hopefully that was the right place to send it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Mink Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 March 2006 at 20:09
I agree with Cameron. I had already worked through the manuals of both the 5D and 7D before I got Gary Friedman's book. It took me a whole evening to read it and, although I enjoyed it, I didn't feel I learned very much new. Even his good exposition on the use of wireless flash was not entirely new - I mastered this system some years ago with my 7xi/5400xi setup.

On the other hand, this book is perfect for my wife, who has no patience for cryptic manuals but wants to be able to use the 5D when we go travelling (does that sound sexist - it isn't meant to - she's a great photographer, but very impatient with new stuff..)

I think there's a gap (or, perhaps, that there would have been a gap if KM was still in business!) for a more advanced technical book on the 'science' of the KM system - not necessarily fun to read, but which answers all the questions likely to come up as you progress with the system.

Still, I suppose that's why we have this forum! Maybe you guys should think of compiling something which we can download to our PDAs - there's heaps of material in your archives, and lots of techies among your members to peer-review it! Maybe you could even make some money :-)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote jeditim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 March 2006 at 21:05
There was also an update to Chapter 7 several months ago...if anyone purchased the book they should also request this...I received it directly from Gary via PDF.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ajm80031 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 March 2006 at 22:21
To followup, I sent Gary an email this morning and he replied within three hours. If, like me, you purchased a printed copy of the book through Lulu be aware that the printer does not share any buyer information with Gary. So buyers of the printed book need to contact him as he has no way of knowing who all to send the pdf update to.

I used the contact address at the bottom of the Friedman Archives home page to get in touch with him.

(Edited to delete the extra "http://" from the link above)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Saratoga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 March 2006 at 22:49
Originally posted by ajm80031 ajm80031 wrote:

I used the contact address at the bottom of the Friedman Archives home page to get in touch with him.


Better use this link as it lacks the extra http :)

http://www.friedmanarchives.com/
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