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Bob Socko
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Topic: From Minoltas to Sony DSLRs and SLTs Posted: 26 August 2013 at 01:09 |
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-- a personal view by Bob Socko* About five years ago, when I first got into photography, I asked a wedding photographer for some advice on where to begin. She told me to get a DSLR made by Canon or Nikon. I looked down at the a700 in my hands and wondered, “What can’t I do with what I already have?” Consider, for a moment, two of the most famous photos shot in the past fifty years.
The first is a perfect example of being the right place at the right time with a functional camera. The other is a well-composed, well-exposed portrait of an interesting subject, shot by a photographer who understands how to make use of such things. What does the brand of the cameras involved have to do with the greatness of these shots? Nothing. Nothing at all. History To understand Sony’s DSLR line, you need to know a bit about Minolta. Minolta was one of the major players in the SLR market for a very, very long time. They never had the market penetration of Canon or Nikon, but they had a reputation for good image quality and ease of use. They were the first to market with an autofocus SLR line. They color-matched their lenses against each other so that photographers could feel confident that their shots would look consistent if they switched lenses halfway through a roll of film. They came out with their first DSLR in 1995. Their Dimage enthusiast point-and-shoot line included manual controls, image stabilization, and a flip-out rear LCD in 2003. Unfortunately, a major lawsuit from Honeywell and declining marketshare took the wind (money) out of Minolta’s sails, which led to their acquisition by Konica. The brand struggled on under the name Konica-Minolta and was eventually sold to Sony. You can say a lot of things about Sony, and most of them are true. But at the end of the day, they’re a business and they do a lot of research into what “the market” wants. Their early DSLRs fell into two categories:
What is SLT? Single Lens Translucent, which is a hybrid of Single Lens Reflex and mirrorless technology. As a quick refresher, here’s how SLRs and mirrorless cameras work: Let’s start with the DSLR. When you look through the viewfinder, you see light that travelled through the lens, bounced off a mirror, reflected up into another mirror (or a prism), and out the eyepiece to you. When you press the trigger, the first mirror pivots upward. This allows the light to hit the sensor, capturing the photo itself. Once the capture is complete, the pivoting mirror rotates back down. It’s a proven technology, but not a perfect one. Nice pentaprism viewfinders are bulky and expensive, whereas cheap penatmirrors tend to be small, dim things that cut off the edges of your shot. During exposure, your autofocus sensors have nothing to focus on, so you can lose track of moving subjects. Without that autofocus sensor, video on a DSLR can be tricky. Finally, think about the mechanical precision needed to make a tiny mirror slap back and forth instantly, several times a second, while staying in sync with other tiny moving parts. Then think about the quality of most consumer electronics. How fast can they really move? And how long will they really last? Mechanically, the mirrorless camera is much simpler – no pivoting mirror, no optical viewfinder. The sensor provides a constant live-view feed to the rear LCD or an electronic viewfinder. This allows for a smaller, lighter camera with fewer moving parts. With no mirror, you eliminate the potential of mirror-shake ruining long-exposure shots (as well as eliminating the need for a mirror lock-up mode). Unfortunately, you also lose out on the faster, more accurate autofocus sensors built into DSLRs. You’re also limited by the quality of your output display – it’s hard to compose a shot, or judge image quality, if you’re stuck with a crummy screen to view it on. SLT is Sony’s way of blending both technologies. There’s still a mirror involved, but it’s not a normal mirror. It constantly reflects about 1/3rd of the light onto an autofocus sensor, while the other 2/3rds of the light travels through the mirror to the sensor. The sensor then powers an electronic viewfinder. This lets Sony pull off some neat tricks:
General Perks of the Alpha Mount You don’t have to buy a SLT in order to get the most out of a Sony.
What are some good Sony bodies? Before I recommend any specific bodies, let me explain the numbering system. When looking at a Sony DSLR/SLT (or even a NEX, though they’re beyond the scope of this thread), look at the first digit. It will tell you how Sony views the camera in terms of other DSLRs from the same generation of technology. Then, count the total number of digits. If it has three digits (like a700), it’s a DSLR. If it has two digits (like a77), it’s a SLT.
So what should you buy? If you’re brand new to the mount, try to find an a57, an a580, or an a700. The a57 is a recently-discontinued SLT that seems to hit a sweet spot of image quality, features, and usability. The a580 is a couple of years old and was the last DSLR Sony produced. It’s an entry level body, but it used the same sensor as the Nikon D7000 and Pentax K-5 – meaning it’s one of the few Sony bodies with excellent low-light image quality. Finally, the a700 is an older prosumer body. It was a contemporary to the Canon 50D and Nikon D90. Don’t expect a lot of frills with the camera. There is no articulating screen. No live view. No video. What you get is a very sturdy DSLR with great ergonomics, an interface that takes about thirty seconds to learn, and all it does it take pictures. Now, if you’re made of money, we can talk about full-frame options. Sony has three full-frame bodies – the a850, the a900, and the a99. The a900 is basically an a700 with a gigantic viewfinder, a larger sensor, and (I believe) an even sturdier build. Though they aren’t officially weather sealed, Antarctica is no big deal to an a900. So, if you found yourself smiling and nodding as I described the a700, and you have the cash for it, go for it – you can find them on eBay for $1500ish. If that’s a bit too rich for your blood, get an a850 – it’s an a900 with an oh-so-slightly smaller viewfinder and only shoots 3 frames per second, and goes for $1000-$1100. If you’re looking for a portrait or landscape full-frame camera, it’s one of the best deals on the market. Then, there’s the a99. Oh my god, the a99 The a99 is the nicest camera I’ve ever used. Sony managed to include everything I’ve liked from previous bodies. The a700/a850/a900 had a very simple interface; the a99 has it. The a850 and a900 have a full-frame sensor; the a99 has one. The a580 had excellent low-light capabilities, where ISO 3200 was not just usable, but no big deal; the a99 laughs at ISO 3200. I can’t think of a single meaningful problem with the a99, except perhaps the fact that the autofocus points could be spread out a little more. It’s an excellent camera, and I have no hesitation in recommending it to anyone – provided, of course, you have the money and the know-how to use it. What are some bad Sony bodies? First off, I’ll say what I said in my first DSLR thread – no one makes a “bad” DSLR anymore. Not Canon, not Nikon, not Pentax, and not Sony. None of the Sony bodies will blow up if you try to use them. All of them are usable up to at least ISO 1600, and will work for 90% of the situations the average person would use them in. With that out of the way, the a230 is the red-headed stepchild of the Sony lineup. As an entry-level body, it has a lot of features stripped out of it. It has one of the smallest viewfinder of any Sony DSLR. It’s also several years old at this point. If you’re going to go the used route, I’d encourage you to keep searching – you should be able to find a comparable body (a200, a300, a330) for essentially the same price. In addition, I have trouble recommending the a65. As mentioned above, the a65 is basically an a77’s guts in an entry-level body. Sounds good, right? One of the few problems with the a77 is its sensor. 24 megapixels on a crop-sensor is very dense, and it’s hard to find lenses that can really take advantage of that high resolution. It’s not that your photos will be bad, it’s that they won’t be able to take advantage of the sensor’s full potential – you’ll only really have 18 or 20 megapixels (or whatever) worth of detail. So, unless you have really nice lenses, you’re basically spending extra money for a sensor you can’t take full advantage of, plus a nicer viewfinder. I think you’re better off with an a57 (16 megapixels versus 24) or an a77 (a65 with a sturdier build, better rear LCD, and dual-control wheels). Any Sony/Minolta terminology I should know about? A few quick ones:
What are some good, cheap lenses that are unique to the mount? Note the use of "unique". Obviously, lenses like the Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 are good, and adapted m42 lenses are a dime a dozen. These lenses are only available on the Minolta AF / Sony alpha mount.
I have money to burn. Tell me about the good stuff that’s unique to the mount.
Special Bonus Section – Lenses that are cheap and good, but only make sense if you’re using an a850/a900/a99
You've described a few lenses as "rebadged". Is the difference literally just a badge? What lenses are rebadged? When I describe a lens as "rebadged", I'm mostly referring to cosmetic changes to the barrel itself. The optical formula is the same - x elements in y groups. There may be some changes to the coatings, particularly if the original design is a Tamron. If there are any other significant changes, I'll make note of it below - otherwise, assume the lenses are essentially identical. You can save a boatload by buying the older versions of these lenses.
What are some good resources for further reading?
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ifreedman
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 August 2013 at 04:59 | |
As I said before, great article!!! Thanks so much for posting it here.
Edited by brettania - 29 August 2013 at 05:28 |
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A77ii, A6000 + various alpha, homemade and adapted lenses
Articles: Tilt-Shift Lenses |
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pdeley
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 August 2013 at 06:03 | |
Great summary Kelly!
Just a few small nits to pick based on my own experience and preferences: under "So what should you buy" I'd definitely include the a450 for readers outside the Americas (and with a little patience a US or Canada buyer can usually find one for reasonable $$ in ebay UK). It was the last true DSLR model Sony produced with a decent-sized OVF and still holds its own quite well as a budget action-shooter thanks to a 7fps burst option, the 14 Mpx sensor and reasonably large buffer borrowed from the a550. Under unique lenses I would (1) definitely give the 500 f8 reflex more attention than just the fact that it's the only AF reflex ever made; (2) include the SAM 30 f2.8 macro = it's not only tack-sharp but also both the shortest focal length and most affordable among all lenses capable of 1:1 magnification as currently produced by the big four SLR/SLT manufacturers. And a last one - under the "bad bodies" section: the a65 doesn't just differ significantly from the a57 in having that bigger sensor but it also has the high-resolution OLED EVF of the a77. 24 Mpx of sensor resolution may well be a mixed blessing indeed, but the 2.44 Mpx OLED viewfinder is an unambiguous plus compared to the 1.44 Mpx LED version of the a57. Edited by pdeley - 29 August 2013 at 06:21 |
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a450, a500, a65, a7, 700si & other 35 mm bodies, Sig 15-30, sam 30 2.8 macro, Pentax 40 2.8 pan, Sig 70 f2.8 macro, Vivi 90 f2.8 macro, Mino 100-400 apo, 300 f4, 500 f8, 600 f4
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MichelvA
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 August 2013 at 07:48 | |
Great article, a welcome addition to the Dyxum site. Thanks for that
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kiklop
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 August 2013 at 12:51 | |
Sorry for missing this earlier.
Thank you for sharing !!! |
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We may have questions waiting for answers !
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Aavo
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 August 2013 at 13:10 | |
Great article!
Thanks a lot !!! |
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a6500 & some nice e-mount af lenses 20/24/56/17-70
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jcbenten
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 August 2013 at 13:26 | |
Nice article.
One note: Not sure of the original publish date but Alpha has morphed into a brand and includes the mirrorless NEX systems. |
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Chris
Sony A550/580; Min 24 & 28f2.8; Sony 35f1.4G 50f1.4 85f1.4 18-250; Tam 17-50f2.8; Tok 28-70f2.8SV; Sony HVL58; FS: Sony 75-300 |
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nigelbrooks
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 August 2013 at 13:41 | |
The article is excellent and thanks for it is Kelly.
@jcbenten the article is titled "From Minoltas to Sony dSLRs and SLTs" and therefore, rightly, excludes NEX bodies/lenses. |
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Ryu2406
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 August 2013 at 14:01 | |
Great article op very informative and I enjoyed reading it keep it coming thanks
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jcbenten
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 August 2013 at 14:54 | |
Nigel, I am referring to the terminology list for "Alpha". Alpha is no longer synonymous with "A-Mount". I am not disputing the exclusion of E-Mount in this article and am pointing out a potential source of confusion for someone new to Sony systems (albeit minor). |
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Chris
Sony A550/580; Min 24 & 28f2.8; Sony 35f1.4G 50f1.4 85f1.4 18-250; Tam 17-50f2.8; Tok 28-70f2.8SV; Sony HVL58; FS: Sony 75-300 |
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nigelbrooks
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 August 2013 at 15:44 | |
Sorry to be a pedant but 'Alpha' is most certainly synonymous with A-mount but no longer exclusively so since Sony decided to blur the lines and trade off the Alpha name for the NEX range.
Funny, they didn't do that at the start but now brand all bodies as 'Alpha NEX' on their websites. I would hope that e-mount user will find a wealth of information here but it's most certainly not a 'NEX-dominant' site. |
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5thElefant
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 August 2013 at 16:09 | |
I have a Nex5 and box to hand, both carry the alpha logo.
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Simon α900|A7|RX10|DXO
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thornburg
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 August 2013 at 16:30 | |
Kind of surprised at the list of "unique" lenses in the cheap section.
Mentions the 24-50/4, says pick it up for less than $100 (I gave up on getting one for less than $120 after 6 weeks of trying). Mentions the 28-85, which doesn't seem to be much better than a recent kitlens, but doesn't mention the 24-85 or 24-105, which are regarded as much better than the 28-85 (albeit at twice or thrice the cost). |
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Sony a3000, a6000, a57, a99 - Sony E 16-50, 28/2 | Vivitar 13, 85 | Minolta 24, 28-105, 35-105, 50/1.7, 75-300 | Tokina 28-70/2.6-2.8 | Sigma 70/2.8 Macro | Tamron 70-200/2.8 | Celestron 1000/11
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Jonas A-R
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 August 2013 at 20:16 | |
Thanks for a thorough presentation of the alpha-line!
The following statement: "One of the few problems with the a77 is its sensor. 24 megapixels on a crop-sensor is very dense, and it’s hard to find lenses that can really take advantage of that high resolution. It’s not that your photos will be bad, it’s that they won’t be able to take advantage of the sensor’s full potential – you’ll only really have 18 or 20 megapixels (or whatever) worth of detail." seems to imply that teleconverters are useless on a77. Surely that cannot be the case? At a fixed display size, 24MP will almost invariably yield a sharper result than 16MP, and I see no good reason to limit the system resolution unless file size is an issue? Cheers, Jonas |
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a1 20/1.8G 21/2.8 Loxia 35/1.4GM 50/1.2GM 85/1.4GM 90/2.8G Laowa 100/2.8 2:1 100/2.8GM STF 135/1.8GM 24-105/4G 100-400/4-5.6GM 200-600/5.6-6.3G 1.4x 2x TC
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