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Good news. It seems a combination of market demand and a redesign with other materials made this possible!
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Yes, I like the slight resurgence of film. More and more people are satisfied with their phones now, the rest are looking for something different.
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I just saw friend yesterday who is a professional photographer. He was a Nikon shooter until a couple of years ago when he switched to Sony FE mount. He told me yesterday that he went back to film. He said that digital doesn't compare to film (i disagree).
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Originally posted by AutumnRose AutumnRose wrote:

He said that digital doesn't compare to film (i disagree).

I agree with him... (assuming he didn't said it was better)
Film and digital are different, discussing wich is better is a waste of time in my opinion.
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No, he said there's more detail in film. And he had one of the newer A7 cameras.
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Did he imply revealing? Cuz Detail =/= Resolution.
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Originally posted by AutumnRose AutumnRose wrote:

No, he said there's more detail in film. And he had one of the newer A7 cameras.

There are some advantages in using film when comparing to digital, maybe those are more important for his kind of photography.
And we don't have to agree, we just need to enjoy the process.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Good news. It seems a combination of market demand and a redesign with other materials made this possible!

Indeed.
What puzzles me is the fact that fujifilm is reverting their long term decision.
Kudos to them, its not everyday you see big corporations making adjustments like these.
They had killed all their bw film for sometime.

The big question now is when will they make it available outside Japan.
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For a comparison between (old) Acros and digital:
Fuji Acros digital vs Fuji Acros film.

Old Neopan 100 Acros had a resolution up to at least 200 lines/mm - somebody will correct me ( ) but if I understand it correctly, it is 200 line pairs (a white and black one) so the theoretical resolution of 35mm film is 9600 by 14400 (400x24 by 400x36) = 138mp (and if I have the 200/400 lines wrong it still is 69mp). However, film does not work like digital and there is some loss (not to mention possible scanning losses). But I am sure that for normal use, 35mm film resolution is at least as good or better then 24mp digital and as medium or large format film has even more real estate. There are also films with a higher resolution then Fuji Acros. The statement that it gives more detail might not be that far off.

Apart from any technical differences, the experience of shooting film is completely different. The only downside of film is that developing is a PIA.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

For a comparison between (old) Acros and digital:
Fuji Acros digital vs Fuji Acros film.

Old Neopan 100 Acros had a resolution up to at least 200 lines/mm - somebody will correct me ( ) but if I understand it correctly, it is 200 line pairs (a white and black one) so the theoretical resolution of 35mm film is 9600 by 14400 (400x24 by 400x36) = 138mp (and if I have the 200/400 lines wrong it still is 69mp). However, film does not work like digital and there is some loss (not to mention possible scanning losses).

It says lines/mm not LP(line pairs)/mm, I think you don't have to double twice so that the resolution is 34.56mp(equiv.). This could be a marketing scam like claiming 2.4-million-dot resolution EVF instead of (low-res) 1024x768 and the number looks big.
But I am sure that for normal use, 35mm film resolution is at least as good or better then 24mp digital and as medium or large format film has even more real estate. There are also films with a higher resolution then Fuji Acros. The statement that it gives more detail might not be that far off.

Assuming the film is developed at its poorest resolution (60lines/mm as in the Fuji's datasheet) and the final print has the A4 size (about 20x30cm), the print resolution is 7.2 lines/mm or a 0.14x0.14mm square each print dot. However the spreading ink makes a dot become a circle of 0.196mm diameter; and the Circle of Confusion on A4 paper is 0.2mm(*). Very reasonable!
(*) - The manual of photography, 9th edition, Ralph Jacobson. Pg. 52.
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Originally posted by beautiophile beautiophile wrote:

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Old Neopan 100 Acros had a resolution up to at least 200 lines/mm - somebody will correct me ( ) but if I understand it correctly, it is 200 line pairs (a white and black one) so the theoretical resolution of 35mm film is 9600 by 14400 (400x24 by 400x36) = 138mp (and if I have the 200/400 lines wrong it still is 69mp). However, film does not work like digital and there is some loss (not to mention possible scanning losses).

It says lines/mm not LP(line pairs)/mm, I think you don't have to double twice so that the resolution is 34.56mp(equiv.). This could be a marketing scam like claiming 2.4-million-dot resolution EVF instead of (low-res) 1024x768 and the number looks big.
But you half it, that is also not necessary. According to Wikipedia 200 lines/mm are 100 lp/mm - that is white and black line, but you have to count both lines as they have discrete information. So, IMHO, it still is 200x24 by 200x36 and therefore 69mp in theory (in practice it is hard to achieve).
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

So, IMHO, it still is 200x24 by 200x36 and therefore 69mp in theory (in practice it is hard to achieve).

So 200x24x200x36 = 69mpx? Are you working as a price-appraisal officer in Apple Inc.?
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I'm super excited to see Acros coming back. Along with Tri-X and Ilford Delta, it was one of my most used films. As an artist, I find it superior in every aspect when compared with modern digital (CMOS) cameras. Even Fujifilm's impressive digital B+W simulations can't match it. The tonality of modern digital cameras leaves much to be desired compared to the wonderfully organic tonal transitions of film. If you shoot sports, weddings, or just general snapshots, you might not see it or it might not matter to you and I think that's great - shoot digital. For artistic black and white work, I have to either shoot film or one of a very few digital cameras.

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