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    Posted: 29 January 2020 at 12:10
Titled "Features Nobody's Talking about" there's a couple of good pointers about wireless file transfers and then a cool tip for keywording with voice commands.

And since we're in that general area I'm curious as to how long do you think it will be before we have cameras that no longer need memory cards?
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I think cameras without memory cards are unlikely in the near future - while WiFi and 4G are common in many places, there are still a lot of places where people want to take photos that don't have such connectivity - and so memory cards are needed.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote owenn01 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 January 2020 at 14:27
Originally posted by stiuskr stiuskr wrote:

And since we're in that general area I'm curious as to how long do you think it will be before we have cameras that no longer need memory cards?


I'm beginning to wonder how long it will be before we have cameras that no longer need a finger to press a shutter or even have a photographer along at all!


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Originally posted by Faldrax Faldrax wrote:

I think cameras without memory cards are unlikely in the near future - while WiFi and 4G are common in many places, there are still a lot of places where people want to take photos that don't have such connectivity - and so memory cards are needed.
Or a USB cable
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Originally posted by Faldrax Faldrax wrote:

I think cameras without memory cards are unlikely in the near future - while WiFi and 4G are common in many places, there are still a lot of places where people want to take photos that don't have such connectivity - and so memory cards are needed.

If you include cellphones as cameras, most cameras no longer support removable media.

I don't want or need removable media. I don't want to buy another obsolete card again.

I needless bought a 64 GB Sandisk Extreme Pro UHS I card thinking it might be significantly faster than the 64 GB UHS I cards I already own. But it was barely any faster.

I am thinking about buying a newer A7 camera and a UHS II card is needed to cameras full performance. Removable cards increase expense, decrease reliability, and decrease performance.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 January 2020 at 16:39
As long as high-end cameras don't have built in memory I don't think memory cards are obsolete.

And btw, my phone (a 2019 model) has a slot for a micro SD. So some camera phones still support cards.

Next to the downsides of removable cards that have been mentioned I can see advantages as well:
- Flexible in speed and size, you can choose yourself what suits your needs best, better than a "one size fits all" choice from the camera manufacturer.
- If it fails the replacement cost and hassle is low, no need to send the camera in for repair


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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

I don't want or need removable media. I don't want to buy another obsolete card again.

If you buy a camera with non-removable memory you still pay for it, and the memory will still become 'obsolete' when a newer/faster technology replaces it.

I needless bought a 64 GB Sandisk Extreme Pro UHS I card thinking it might be significantly faster than the 64 GB UHS I cards I already own. But it was barely any faster.

That's not the fault of the removable memory paradigm, is it?

I am thinking about buying a newer A7 camera and a UHS II card is needed to cameras full performance. Removable cards increase expense, decrease reliability, and decrease performance.

I think the expense is built in, and the reliability thing is a double-edged sword if something goes wrong with non-removable memory and it needs to be fixed. Performance is perhaps the greatest potential benefit - but if the manufacturer cuts corners with that for whatever reason, you're stuck there as well.

Seems like the best approach would be to include fixed memory but keep the removable memory option as well.
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Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

Originally posted by Faldrax Faldrax wrote:

I think cameras without memory cards are unlikely in the near future - while WiFi and 4G are common in many places, there are still a lot of places where people want to take photos that don't have such connectivity - and so memory cards are needed.
Or a USB cable


If you want to shoot tethered while on an African Safari, Arctic workshop, etc.

The problem is not getting photos off the camera when back 'at base', it's having as much capacity as you want (via multiple memory cards) when away.
SD cards (or Compact Flash, for old-timers like myself with A900's) provide a cheap and easy option for that.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Phil Wood Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 January 2020 at 14:37
Originally posted by Faldrax Faldrax wrote:

Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

Originally posted by Faldrax Faldrax wrote:

I think cameras without memory cards are unlikely in the near future - while WiFi and 4G are common in many places, there are still a lot of places where people want to take photos that don't have such connectivity - and so memory cards are needed.
Or a USB cable


If you want to shoot tethered while on an African Safari, Arctic workshop, etc.

The problem is not getting photos off the camera when back 'at base', it's having as much capacity as you want (via multiple memory cards) when away.
SD cards (or Compact Flash, for old-timers like myself with A900's) provide a cheap and easy option for that.


Wireless files transfer via bluetooth or wifi to an external storage device with multi-terabyte capacity is well within current capabilities. For instance my A99ii talks easily with my phone - the downside is the need for more battery power - whereas a card is easy to swap and battery power can be reserved for taking pictures.
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Originally posted by Phil Wood Phil Wood wrote:

Wireless files transfer via bluetooth or wifi to an external storage device with multi-terabyte capacity is well within current capabilities. For instance my A99ii talks easily with my phone - the downside is the need for more battery power - whereas a card is easy to swap and battery power can be reserved for taking pictures.

More downsides: generally slow wireless transfer speeds compared to direct connect options, and the fact that your camera is not available for use elsewhere with another empty card while it's transferring files.

Wireless stuff has only two advantages I can think of at the moment: convenience and avoidance of accidents when handling physical media (loss or damage affecting a card, card slot, or cable).
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