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    Posted: 10 December 2019 at 07:46
Hi,

I am trying to determine which image below is a better representation of a Bald Eagle,

Would you crop the images differently? Which image resonates with you more? Are there distracting elements (ex. there is a small white cap below the eagles talon in the one image?

Any overall feedback is welcome.

Thank you

https://www.sammuracaphotography.com/Fine-Art-Galleries/Eagles/i-C7m7WQg/A




https://www.sammuracaphotography.com/Fine-Art-Galleries/Eagles/i-W4Pg4st/A






Edited by Sam M - 12 December 2019 at 08:03
 



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Hi Sam,

Thanks for the links to the images - impressive shots!

For the first, I think I can see what you are trying to show us - the bird in the expanse of water and a reference to it's 'hunting ground' I suspect. There's a couple of things I may be tempted to try and do with this one:
1. The water, though a fundamental part of the environment the eagle is in, is quite distracting due to it's mottled and heavily patterned look - there's a lot of patterns in this and the eye loves looking for patterns... Perhaps clone all the bird out and then apply a softening effect to the water layer to smooth that down?
2. I'd crop quite a bit off the RHS - still keep the bird in the LH corner but see if you can make it larger in the frame; it will still be amongst it's environment but you will make more of the spectacular look of the bird.
3. Drop the sharpening and/or contrast a little - I suspect I can see some edge highlights in both of these shots (but this one more than the other) which would get picked up on in other areas (and would be seen in a print for example)

For the second, then the same comments are generally the case, though the bird is much larger in the frame and benefits from that in my view. Again. try to soften the water down and yes; there is a rather eye-catching highlight just below the LH talon - clone it and lose it! I think this is definitely the stronger image of the two but a small degree of cropping (LH side in and up) would make it a much more dynamic diagonal subject in the frame - I think you've just managed to keep the feathers within the RH frame edge which is good - unless this is also an already cropped image where you could go back and give that just a fraction more space to the RH edge...?

They are both great captures though and I'm interested as to where these were taken - especially as you have such a high viewpoint to get these?

Thanks for sharing these and welcome to Dyxum - I've missed your 'introduction post'!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 December 2019 at 16:38
The first is the winner IMO, but I would definitely crop some of the background away and allow the bird to fill the frame more.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote onsplekkie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 December 2019 at 18:10
Very strong images, a bit to saturated for my liking of these beautiful bird(s).
#1 needs a square crop
#2 is just fine

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Hi Sam,
Composition of second one is better than first one. Position of bird in first image "exits" the frame. Viewer's eyes go out of frame looking for what eagle is looking for outside of frame. Top left corner would be better place for eagle if you had a choice.
Second image: only problem would be focus on birds claws instead of head/eyes. And overexposed white parts but that is always a problem with subjects which have both white and black details at the same time.
Overall good images of beautiful bird.
I would recomend posting directly on Dyxum for more exposure if you have ability.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 December 2019 at 16:36
Originally posted by svjetlana svjetlana wrote:

Hi Sam,
Composition of second one is better than first one. Position of bird in first image "exits" the frame. Viewer's eyes go out of frame looking for what eagle is looking for outside of frame. Top left corner would be better place for eagle if you had a choice.

Quite agree. Basic rule (and yes, I know rules can be broken!) is not have the subject looking out of the picture. If you cna't re-frame the picture, I'd be strongly tempted to clone more sea at the bottom (from another shot, maybe) and either blur the sea or add another bird sitting on the water that the eagle is supposed to be looking at.
Does this idea bother you?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Atom Ant Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 December 2019 at 18:25
Excellent captures & excellent comments. Everyone take a bow!

Miranda Fís proposal to move the bird or similar in #1 makes me uncomfortable but I have been known to rise above such discomfort on occasion! Youíve captured the decisive moment in this shot & thatís pretty special. So extraordinary measures might be justified.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam M Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 December 2019 at 07:49
Thank you everyone for the feedback so far.

The photographs are taken at the mouth of the Chehalis River, British Columbia, Canada. Every year in November thousands of Eagles arrive at this location during the Salmon run. The birds migrate from as far north as Alaska. There is approximately 300-500 local Eagles in the area.

Here is where I am at with the comments on the first image...I feel I need to spend some more time on the edit to tweek it further.

https://www.sammuracaphotography.com/Fine-Art-Galleries/Eagles/i-fNjn8g9

Thank you again for the feedback...Thoughts on the revised image?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote svjetlana Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 December 2019 at 17:33
fantastic
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Great improvement on an already great shot
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Shearwater Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 December 2019 at 15:13
To me, the first picture seems to be way over processed - too much sharpening and too much contrast perhaps. Both the white and dark parts of the picture seem too bright - bald eagles do not really look like that.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 December 2019 at 17:32
Originally posted by Shearwater Shearwater wrote:

... bald eagles do not really look like that.

Apparently they do if they're photographed in full sunlight.



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