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Originally posted by windhorse windhorse wrote:

Maybe time to catch up a bit with the times ...

Both manual and TTL autoflash have their uses. For the gear you're asking about, autoflash is the only method that allows adjustments at the camera; manual output adjustments have to be made on the flashes themselves, and that can be inconvenient or impractical. But different flash systems do exist, where manual output adjustments can be made from the controller.
 



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Originally posted by windhorse windhorse wrote:


Maybe time to catch up a bit with the times, as nowadays with all the jumps and hops moving the world ahead it ought not be so hard to start with ttl reading of an exposure with manual settings and TTL selected on the camera, then adjust the amount of flash up or down after taking a peep at the result, particulalry if the amount light is more or less constant?


Gary Friedman has written a lot about using flash and even does a course about it! If you buy his e-book on your camera, it will probably include a very decent section on wireless flash (mine does for the A58).

Yes, TTL flash is adjustable from the camera and is intended to take the work out of it, though if you have more than one flash things are going to get more tricky and there are areguments for and against using the from-the-camera flash groupings, versus having fixed power flash and moving them about. The main issue I find is not doing it regualrly, so there's usually a learning curve every time.
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Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Originally posted by windhorse windhorse wrote:

Maybe time to catch up a bit with the times ...

Both manual and TTL autoflash have their uses. For the gear you're asking about, autoflash is the only method that allows adjustments at the camera; manual output adjustments have to be made on the flashes themselves, and that can be inconvenient or impractical. But different flash systems do exist, where manual output adjustments can be made from the controller.


Am I right the HVL-F32M has to be set on either: MANUAL mode that enables adjustment of the output on the flash and also through the camera itself when the F32M is mounted on the camera, or REMOTE mode that is the required setting for using it off camera, but it cannot be set on MAUNAL and REMOTE mode at the same time, so TTL is the only way to control falsh power in REMOTE mode?
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Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

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The main issue I find is not doing it regualrly, so there's usually a learning curve every time.[/IMG]


I hear you... and for some reason I am not sure about the learning curve does not seem to get shorter as years go by.

Perhaps this has something to do with diet or climate change?
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Originally posted by windhorse windhorse wrote:

Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

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The main issue I find is not doing it regualrly, so there's usually a learning curve every time.[/IMG]


I hear you... and for some reason I am not sure about the learning curve does not seem to get shorter as years go by.

Perhaps this has something to do with diet or climate change?

Let's blame it on climate change, shall we?

(The alternative is old age and dry rot ... )
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Originally posted by windhorse windhorse wrote:

Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Originally posted by windhorse windhorse wrote:

Maybe time to catch up a bit with the times ...

Both manual and TTL autoflash have their uses. For the gear you're asking about, autoflash is the only method that allows adjustments at the camera; manual output adjustments have to be made on the flashes themselves, and that can be inconvenient or impractical. But different flash systems do exist, where manual output adjustments can be made from the controller.

Am I right the HVL-F32M has to be set on either: MANUAL mode that enables adjustment of the output on the flash and also through the camera itself when the F32M is mounted on the camera ...

I don't think it's possible to adjust the manual power output of any shoe-mounted flash through the camera itself. It's definitely not possible with any Sony camera I've owned. Only +/- compensation for autoflash is provided.

... or REMOTE mode that is the required setting for using it off camera, but it cannot be set on MAUNAL and REMOTE mode at the same time, so TTL is the only way to control falsh power in REMOTE mode?

I just had a look through the user manual, and you're right - it seems impossible to select Manual mode independently of Wireless mode with that model.

This is quite sad. One of the advantages of the better Sony flashes out there (F43M, for example) is the ability to use them off camera not just in TTL mode but also in manual mode. The evidence suggests that Sony cut several corners on the F32M. It did not get a rave review from one of our other members back in 2015.

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Yes it is quite sad but so was the death of the horse drawn tram

If I understand right the F32M only works off-camera in TTL with pre-flash when it is set in remote mode for off camera use, so no manual +/- of output on the flash, since Manual cannot be selected at same time as Remote, and no metering, due to pre-flash.

But given that nowadays TTL metering is usually pretty close to where the amount of light falling on the subject ought to be, and this can be tweaked +/- three stops using the A7RII's in-camera flash compensation function, and the resulting light ratio can be seat-of-the-pants analayzed via the histogram and/or just eye-balling a test shot on the LCD (possible, even if not nearly as accurate as a flash meter) then the end result may be quite ok?

Alternatively, there appears to be no reason why the F32m could not be used off-camera in manual mode via a non-OEM radio controller/receiver like the Phottix system, right?

Such a workaround is likely just as cumbersome as using a steam-driven tram to pull a horse! But it would give full manual control of the f32m either on or off camera and also the option for TTL flash on camera.



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Originally posted by windhorse windhorse wrote:

But given that nowadays TTL metering is usually pretty close to where the amount of light falling on the subject ought to be, and this can be tweaked +/- three stops using the A7RII's in-camera flash compensation function, and the resulting light ratio can be seat-of-the-pants analayzed via the histogram and/or just eye-balling a test shot on the LCD (possible, even if not nearly as accurate as a flash meter) then the end result may be quite ok?

Yes.

Alternatively, there appears to be no reason why the F32m could not be used off-camera in manual mode via a non-OEM radio controller/receiver like the Phottix system, right?

Yes. Any inexpensive, dumb radio system should do it.
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