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    Posted: 03 November 2019 at 18:08
Two years ago I went from an A65 -> A7II + LA-EA4 combo -> A99 and can confirm from real world use that AF in the LA-EA4 is exactly the same as my old A65. I ditched the A7 and went with a used A99 which I'm ok with but am really lusting over the higher and cleaner ISO capabilities of the newer Full Frame E Mount bodies.
Since Sony seems to be abandoning the A Mount sector in favor of E Mount, I wish they'd give us one last hurrah with a decent A Mount adapter.   Speaking for myself, a good adapter for A Mount to E Mount is all I'd need to happily make the transition.
 



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Originally posted by Crickster Crickster wrote:

Two years ago I went from an A65 -> A7II + LA-EA4 combo -> A99 and can confirm from real world use that AF in the LA-EA4 is exactly the same as my old A65. I ditched the A7 and went with a used A99 which I'm ok with but am really lusting over the higher and cleaner ISO capabilities of the newer Full Frame E Mount bodies.
Since Sony seems to be abandoning the A Mount sector in favor of E Mount, I wish they'd give us one last hurrah with a decent A Mount adapter.   Speaking for myself, a good adapter for A Mount to E Mount is all I'd need to happily make the transition.


I wonder if Sony are content with the LA-EA3 for "modern A-mount lenses" meaning those with their own focus motors or something.

Would you want a better LA-EA4, meaning a translucent mirror with a better AF module for screw drive A-mount lenses? I failed to see much of a point honestly until I thought of the Minolta HS whites. Those tightly clustered 15 or so af points and slightly delayed shutter action of the LA-EA4 don't feel particularly worthy, I think.

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oh dear not this debate again lol! just came out of the other thread arguing for a better adapter than the current LA-EA ones.

IMO we need:
1 - adapter with the AF module from A99II that works in tandem with OSPDAF just like on A99II
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2 - adapter with no SLT but capable of driving screw driven lenses inc. older minolta AF lenses with 5-pins

in both cases the adapter need provide native-like user experience for all a-mount lenses
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I am not sure what they could do with a new adapter.

I liked the focusing of the A65. It would be great if an A7x could focus A-mount lenses at 10 or 8 FPS like the A65. I am not sure why it takes the A9's electronic shutter to get AF during 5 FPS bursts with the LA-EA4.

Real-time Tracking would also be nice.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tricky01 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2019 at 21:29
Unfortunately there are many people - myself included - who have made the jump and moved to as many native e-mount lenses as possible. If they had an adaptor that would've allowed more of my lenses to work with fast AF, I almost certainly wouldn't have bought all the lens I did.

I don't know the precise maths, but I'd say they'd be happy having Group A holding back on moving to e-mount due to a lack of an LAEAX adaptor, with such a large Group E buying new lenses. Remember also that many of the new owners are not historically Sony shooters. So Sony would want to do the bare minimum to help A-mount owners migrate, without opening the door to second hand a-mount lenses for those new to Sony.

Just my ten cents, but I think they're already gone above and beyond with the adaptors they've already offered.
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Originally posted by Tricky01 Tricky01 wrote:

Unfortunately there are many people - myself included - who have made the jump and moved to as many native e-mount lenses as possible. If they had an adaptor that would've allowed more of my lenses to work with fast AF, I almost certainly wouldn't have bought all the lens I did.

I don't know the precise maths, but I'd say they'd be happy having Group A holding back on moving to e-mount due to a lack of an LAEAX adaptor, with such a large Group E buying new lenses. Remember also that many of the new owners are not historically Sony shooters. So Sony would want to do the bare minimum to help A-mount owners migrate, without opening the door to second hand a-mount lenses for those new to Sony.

Just my ten cents, but I think they're already gone above and beyond with the adaptors they've already offered.


While I agree with much of what you said, I certainly don't agree that they've gone above and beyond with the adapters they've offered. I mean, A65 AF? Really? The adapters lag so far behind that if things don't improve I'll be looking at other brands and abandoning Sony altogether once I'm done with A Mount. Admittedly that won't be for a while, because my A99 and A99ii are still working well for me. But for me E mount is not an attractive option.
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Originally posted by Maxxuman Maxxuman wrote:

Originally posted by Tricky01 Tricky01 wrote:

Unfortunately there are many people - myself included - who have made the jump and moved to as many native e-mount lenses as possible. If they had an adaptor that would've allowed more of my lenses to work with fast AF, I almost certainly wouldn't have bought all the lens I did.

I don't know the precise maths, but I'd say they'd be happy having Group A holding back on moving to e-mount due to a lack of an LAEAX adaptor, with such a large Group E buying new lenses. Remember also that many of the new owners are not historically Sony shooters. So Sony would want to do the bare minimum to help A-mount owners migrate, without opening the door to second hand a-mount lenses for those new to Sony.

Just my ten cents, but I think they're already gone above and beyond with the adaptors they've already offered.


While I agree with much of what you said, I certainly don't agree that they've gone above and beyond with the adapters they've offered. I mean, A65 AF? Really? The adapters lag so far behind that if things don't improve I'll be looking at other brands and abandoning Sony altogether once I'm done with A Mount. Admittedly that won't be for a while, because my A99 and A99ii are still working well for me. But for me E mount is not an attractive option.


I agree with your sentiments in the adaptors but why isn't e-mount an attractive option?
As far as mirrorless go it's possibly the most attractive option with vast selection of lenses plus healthy used market and good 3rd support which even canikon or Fuji or even m43 doesn't yet have.

If you are thinking about DSLRs they will be following the fate of a-mount. So why go from one dying mount to another to be exactly in the same place again!
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I think no camera or system is perfect, there's always compromises involved imho

If you want the best AF with A-mount lenses ==> A99ii
If you want the best AF with E-mount lenses ==> A7 (as of the mark iii's) or A9

If you don't care too much about AF speed/tracking etc. but are happy with accurate single point AF-S the possibilities increase a lot, and it's easy to mix/match several E-mount bodies and A-mount as well as E-mount lenses using the two available adapters.

Yes, it would be nice if Sony would bring out a LA-EA5 with the A99ii AF sytem and/or a mirrorless adapter that can drive screw driven A-mount lenses but my advice is to nod hold your breath for that, imho that's lethal
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For those of you that don't regularly read Thom Hogan then perhaps it might be worth reading http://dslrbodies.com/newsviews/nikon-2019-news/october-2019-nikon-canon/the-right-answer-to-the.html & http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/2019-mirrorless-camera/october-december-2019-newsv/where-are-we-end-of-2019.html

For those of you that can't be bothered the take aways are that 1) recent lenses are far better than those of even 10 let alone 20 or more years ago & 2) for the moment at least Sony is the best/most fully formed mirrorless system (partly because of 1).
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Originally posted by Heidfirst Heidfirst wrote:

For those of you that don't regularly read Thom Hogan then perhaps it might be worth reading http://dslrbodies.com/newsviews/nikon-2019-news/october-2019-nikon-canon/the-right-answer-to-the.html & http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/2019-mirrorless-camera/october-december-2019-newsv/where-are-we-end-of-2019.html

For those of you that can't be bothered the take aways are that 1) recent lenses are far better than those of even 10 let alone 20 or more years ago & 2) for the moment at least Sony is the best/most fully formed mirrorless system (partly because of 1).


sure but

1) there aren't recent better alternatives for some older lenses
2) people might we willing to sacrifice some quality for other things like size or rendering. Just having sharpest is not always the best. For example I'd much prefer the a-mount 135mm/1.8 because its compatible with teleconverters over the 135GM despite it being the sharpest lens ever.
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It does seem like lenses are getting better.

I see today that the last 6 Sony E-mount lenses have some new AF feature for the A9. It seems to be AF tracking at small apertures.

So far Sony haven't released any updated version of an older E-mount lens. It seems like many A7/A9 owners are not aware that older Sony lenses and third-party lenses have less capabilities. For example the new $1500 Sigma 35mm F1.2 does not support 20 FPS tracking on the A9. Neither does the $1500 SEL35F14Z. It seems like that is something to be aware of when spending that amount of money. The new $750 SEL35F18F is on that short list of the latest 6 lenses.

You could make a case that Sony supported A-mount better. They did update the A-mount 16-35, 24-70, 70-200, 70-300, 70-400, and 300/2.8 lenses. The vague, "Lens processing has also been revised for faster subject tracking" and "A new LSI drive circuit achieves significantly faster autofocus subject tracking than previous models, making the SSM drive system more responsive than ever" isn't as clear about the performance benefits.

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I guess it's the price of progress.

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I too sit on a mountain of A mount glass. I bought and use both laea3 and 4. But the 4 has left me wanting. I was reluctant. But went out and filled the e mount line up with another $5000 in lenses....no going back now. I would still buy a new adapter for some of my old greats....300 2.8.....200 2.8.... and many others...
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

It does seem like lenses are getting better.

I see today that the last 6 Sony E-mount lenses have some new AF feature for the A9. It seems to be AF tracking at small apertures.

So far Sony haven't released any updated version of an older E-mount lens. It seems like many A7/A9 owners are not aware that older Sony lenses and third-party lenses have less capabilities. For example the new $1500 Sigma 35mm F1.2 does not support 20 FPS tracking on the A9. Neither does the $1500 SEL35F14Z. It seems like that is something to be aware of when spending that amount of money. The new $750 SEL35F18F is on that short list of the latest 6 lenses.

You could make a case that Sony supported A-mount better. They did update the A-mount 16-35, 24-70, 70-200, 70-300, 70-400, and 300/2.8 lenses. The vague, "Lens processing has also been revised for faster subject tracking" and "A new LSI drive circuit achieves significantly faster autofocus subject tracking than previous models, making the SSM drive system more responsive than ever" isn't as clear about the performance benefits.


I was personally aware of it and I imagine most folks buying A9 would be too?
even still I believe most of the other e-mount lenses can shoot at 15fps black out free which is not exactly anything to be sneezed at!
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