"IMHO": Getting More With Macro |
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albnok
Senior Member Joined: 01 October 2007 Location: Malaysia Status: Offline Posts: 1018 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 04 March 2008 at 05:49 |
I tried with my beercan too. No success!
The 50mm F1.4 is easy to see when you press both at the same time - when you dismount it, you can see the aperture lever loosen and the aperture blades close slowly. Tried different combinations and different timings. Unless you have weak springs inside your lens, the aperture blades should automatically close down when dismounted. My objective is to get a 50mm F1.4 off and keep it wide open for use in reverse (or to peek inside to look for fungus). Show us pictures of a Minolta AF lens with its aperture wide open, while dismounted! |
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Dorset Mike
Senior Member Joined: 20 February 2007 Country: United Kingdom Location: Poole, Dorset Status: Offline Posts: 535 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 March 2008 at 12:49 |
Hi the easiest way I found was to convert a lens cap (for the body end)as shown in this Pete Ganzel "shows you how"
Works very well for me. |
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Cheers MIKE,
5D, A350: 50/1.7; 28-75/2.8;80-200/2.8 APO Kit; 500/8; Tam 17-50/2.8; 18-280; 70-300/4-5.6: 90/2.8; MC7 2X; Tokina 11-16/2.8: 80-400/4-5.6; Kenko 1.4X: Min A200 bridge |
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Wētāpunga
Senior Member Joined: 02 September 2007 Country: New Zealand Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Posts: 6827 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 May 2008 at 06:48 |
Some sample pictures, first up, with the 90mm tamron, a cheap $50 second-hand flash, a Minolta 50/1.4 lens, a macro coupling ring, and err, a macro focusing rail...
Here is the original photo, shot with a 90mm Tamron and α700 (and manual flash). The 100% crop is as follows- I then coupled a 50/1.4 lens to the Tamron. I jammed the aperture wide open. Here's the image. The 100% crop is as follows: Contrast the magnification to 100% crop shot above. |
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α1, α7cii- Voigtländer 15/4.5, 110/2.5 M; Zeiss Loxia- 21/2.8, 35/2, 50/2 & 85/2.4, Zeiss Batis- 85/1.8 & 135/2.8; Sony 24-105/4 & 100-400/4.5-5.6; Sigma 70/2.8 M; Sony 135/2.8 STF
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eccles
Senior Member Joined: 20 August 2007 Country: United Kingdom Location: Bristol Status: Offline Posts: 998 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 May 2008 at 14:29 |
It's worth mentioning that while adding extension tubes is more effective at short focal lengths, adding a close up lens is more effective at longer focal lengths.
I have a Canon 500D +2 dioptre achromat that is very effective on a beercan. Magnification depends on the zoom setting but is about 1:1.5 maximum. This is fine for butterflies and damselflies, the quality is pretty good, and the working distance is far enough away to be able to use the onboard flash. Here's a recent example, a green hairstreak butterfly using A700, Beercan + Canon 500D. Edited by eccles - 09 May 2008 at 14:32 |
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LECHER
Senior Member Joined: 27 May 2008 Country: United States Location: Pittsburgh, PA Status: Offline Posts: 1592 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 2008 at 19:20 |
Thank you for the info. I recently acquired a Minolta Auto Bellows III for the MD series lens and have also picked up some MD lenses and an MD to A mount adapter. This works great for me. Though I have to ask a silly question. Is it better to have an adapter with or without glass? Mine has Glass (1) but seems to do the job well. Keep up the good work Admiral and will talk to you soon.
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topazlizz
Senior Member Joined: 16 April 2008 Country: Sweden Location: Tibro Status: Offline Posts: 756 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 July 2008 at 20:24 |
Having completed the macro without macro assignment whetted my appetite for macro photography. I did some with diopters, that turned out good only on a very steady tripod, but I'm the sort of person that will normally sneak around with my camera at the ready rather than patiently setting up a tripod. I then reversed a 50/1,7 MD lens and held it to my camera (as I had been dumb enough to buy a reverse ring with the wrong diameter), set the ISO and the speed, and then used my finger to regulate the aperture spring on the end of the lens. This was great for me as I got immediate feedback on the aperture setting just by seeing the amount of light coming through. I was also surprised that the pictures came out so sharp when I managed to move in just right, in spite of everything being hand-held.
There's no composition in the pictures though, beyond "oh dear oh dear, hope it doesn't fly up and sting me!" Now to my question: what is the difference in reversing a 50mm lens compared with, say a 135mm? Can that be done, and would it mean I could step away from the shifty creatures an inch or two, or is it the oppposite? I'm not about to start jamming AF lenses but thought that if I know how the maths work i could probably buy a manual lens or two quite cheaply for macro work. I collected insects and all sorts of little creatures when I was a child and can't seem to shake my fascination for them (though i hate wasps). Oh, and thanks for the excellent info so far! Really well explained! |
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topazlizz
Senior Member Joined: 16 April 2008 Country: Sweden Location: Tibro Status: Offline Posts: 756 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 July 2008 at 20:29 |
Hmmm, is that wasp a fly?
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Wētāpunga
Senior Member Joined: 02 September 2007 Country: New Zealand Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Posts: 6827 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 July 2008 at 21:25 |
No, that wasp is a wasp |
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α1, α7cii- Voigtländer 15/4.5, 110/2.5 M; Zeiss Loxia- 21/2.8, 35/2, 50/2 & 85/2.4, Zeiss Batis- 85/1.8 & 135/2.8; Sony 24-105/4 & 100-400/4.5-5.6; Sigma 70/2.8 M; Sony 135/2.8 STF
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topazlizz
Senior Member Joined: 16 April 2008 Country: Sweden Location: Tibro Status: Offline Posts: 756 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 July 2008 at 21:49 |
Oh good. That means I wasn't scared for nothing!
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topazlizz
Senior Member Joined: 16 April 2008 Country: Sweden Location: Tibro Status: Offline Posts: 756 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 31 July 2008 at 20:08 |
Would appreciate if someone could tell me if a reversed, say, 135mm is better or worse than a 50mm? Will it focus closer or further away or not at all?
Can't afford a proper macro lens just yet. |
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Wētāpunga
Senior Member Joined: 02 September 2007 Country: New Zealand Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Posts: 6827 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 31 July 2008 at 23:14 |
I'm not sure about this lens specifically. On the beercan, I got maximum magnification at 70mm, but have to focus further away (with lower magnification) as the FL increases. I couldn't get a satisfactory focus at 135mm. The 50mm is often the lens of choice for reversing- probably for a good reason . Have you thought about coupling a 50mm to the 135mm? |
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albnok
Senior Member Joined: 01 October 2007 Location: Malaysia Status: Offline Posts: 1018 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 01 August 2008 at 04:16 |
topazlizz, in theory a 135mm would give you more working distance and lets you focus on a further away subject.
However, the 50mm is a favorite because it's small and the rear element is big, preventing vignetting. Well my 24mm reversed vignettes. Not sure about the 135mm. |
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waleskeg
Senior Member Joined: 09 April 2007 Country: United States Location: Metro Phila Status: Offline Posts: 2916 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 01 August 2008 at 05:12 |
Topazlizz, albnok is correct, I just tried a 135 MD reversed on my bellows setup which I have not yet been successful with yet and the distance with the 135 is a few feet where the others are where you are on top of the subject. A guy I have on my flickr contacts list is unreal with his stuff, he actually has a photo of his setup one or two pages in:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7539598@N04/ By the way topazlizz, how's that 50mm doing I sold awhile back? Ken |
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topazlizz
Senior Member Joined: 16 April 2008 Country: Sweden Location: Tibro Status: Offline Posts: 756 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 01 August 2008 at 20:44 |
Hi Ken!
Great to see you here! Thanks, the 50mm is treated as it deserves, like a gem. It was invaluable at my youngest daughter's birthday party as I didn't have to mess things up with a flash. To be honest, I'm probably not using it as much as I could as I haven't explored all the possibilities yet, but I love it! It is not the lens I'm hand-holding reversed for macro, though, I'd hate to expose it like that. I have an MD 50mm that I picked up for a song for that. Thanks, chthoniid and albnok for your replies, it helps to know how these things work. I haven't started thinking about reversing a lens on another yet, I'd have to learn a bit more before trying that, how to couple them together for a start. Half the time I feel I'm running before I can walk anyway, so sometimes I need to put the brakes on. I think I probably need to invest in a real macro lens... |
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