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Post Options Post Options   Quote keith_h Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 August 2008 at 12:25
Excellent resource, thank you.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote alpha_in_exile Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 August 2008 at 20:54
Here's a sample shot with a Minolta MD Rokkor 50mm/1.4 reversed on a beercan, handheld (A100, ISO 400, 1/100s at f/4, zoom FL at 75mm). The subject is the decorative pattern on the end of a stainless steel butter knife -- it's high reflectivity helped keep the shutter speed up, a darker subject would've been harder to shoot under these conditions). Converted from RAW, no sharpening or PP, just a resize.

The little flower is about 5mm in diameter.



There was a little camera shake, I think (remember this was handheld), but it is only noticeable at 100%. Still, it looks like you could get a good, sharp image with the use of a tripod, or in better light. Two 100% crops follow. Notice how narrow the DOF is (see second crop especially).



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Post Options Post Options   Quote brian33 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 November 2008 at 10:40
Very interesting topic and which has gotten my little gears spinning and thinking about macro photography. So I went to a camera store yesterday and I saw a used Sony 50mm macro lens for 300 euros.

My question is: are there any advantages to a 50mm macro lens over a 100mm macro lens other than smaller size and lower price? (Though I'm not sure the 300 euros is such a good deal even though it was in perfect condition.)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dilettante Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 November 2008 at 15:32
Originally posted by brian33 brian33 wrote:


My question is: are there any advantages to a 50mm macro lens over a 100mm macro lens other than smaller size and lower price? (Though I'm not sure the 300 euros is such a good deal even though it was in perfect condition.)


50mm is considered a more 'normal' field of view, but the disadvantage is that working distance gets very small, i.e. for a given level of magnification, you'll need to be a lot closer to your subject with a 50mm lens than with 100mm. That can mean it's hard to light your subject, and if it's a live subject, you may end up scaring it off. I'd say only consider 50mm macro if you want to take studio shots of static subjects.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote brian33 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 November 2008 at 22:37
Originally posted by dilettante dilettante wrote:

Originally posted by brian33 brian33 wrote:


My question is: are there any advantages to a 50mm macro lens over a 100mm macro lens other than smaller size and lower price? (Though I'm not sure the 300 euros is such a good deal even though it was in perfect condition.)


50mm is considered a more 'normal' field of view, but the disadvantage is that working distance gets very small, i.e. for a given level of magnification, you'll need to be a lot closer to your subject with a 50mm lens than with 100mm. That can mean it's hard to light your subject, and if it's a live subject, you may end up scaring it off. I'd say only consider 50mm macro if you want to take studio shots of static subjects.


Thanks! The other thing is I have a minolta 50mm 1.7 which I don't like because I have a hard time shooting around the chromatic abberation and it's not a terribly sharp lens either so replacing it with the Sony macro would give me a respectable 2.8 and much sharper. But what you're telling me about the advantages of 100mm (or 135 I suppose) make a 100mm macro sound much more appealing and versatile for the macro aspect.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Wētāpunga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 November 2008 at 22:45
50mm is more common for studio and flower shots.

Something around 100mm is normally regarded as the most versatile macro lens. So it's probably the best starting point. If you like macro photography, you can branch out from there (i.e. get something shorter, get something longer etc).

If you are not intended to use the macro primarily as a macro, then there are other nice 50mm options. Both the older Minolta 50/1.4 and the more recent Sony 50/1.4 could be worth a look.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dorset Mike Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 November 2008 at 23:35
THe 50mm reversed direct onto the camera should give about 1:1, a 28mm gives about 2:1 the 18-70 kit lens at 18mm gives about 4.5:1, but at only a few mm working distance

This page is a good reference even though it is aimed at Nikon usersclick here
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Optimal is to mount a reversed lens on an extension tube.

As example. If you want a 5X magnification you set the focus so that it would give 1/5 magnification, and mount it so the distance from lens to sensor is the same as it would be from lens to subject if normally mounted.

The working distance used like this is always going to be the normal distance from back of lens to sensor. Something around 3cm?

This way the lens is always operating as designed. Sort of. It is going to give maximum IQ possible for the lens.

Used this way the minimum magnification becomes the 1/x where x was was the lens's maximum magnification used normally.

Reversing is best for when you want greater than 1X magnification. If you don't start with some sort of macro lens then perhaps a lot greater. A 50mm macro might be a good starting point.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote keith_h Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 July 2011 at 03:03
Adding a link with more useful information.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Bob J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 October 2012 at 18:08
Bumping this (very useful) thread, as it has lots of useful info about shooting macro..
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Gary C Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 July 2013 at 04:21
I thank the author of this article for writing it. I recently saw, and purchased a Minolta bellows set, along with a MD-MA adapter ring, and included a Vivitar 200mm f/3.5 lens. Need to stand back four [bad word filtered] ' feet from the subject, but it does work.

I'm going to be looking to replace the 200mm with a 35 or 50mm Minolta MD lens. Also, I'm looking at getting a set of tube rings, since I can't get my KM 7D to attach to the bellows. There's a spot on the camera that interferes and gets in the way. I think if I put one ring in there, I should be able to move the camera back far enough to get it on. My A58 doesn't have any problems getting on, though. But, I don't have the ADP-MAA flash adapter yet, so I can't program my 3600HS for off camera use with the A58.

I think this will be fun, although I was told I've opened a Pandora's box. We'll see.

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Originally posted by Gary C Gary C wrote:

I thank the author of this article for writing it. ..

I think this will be fun, although I was told I've opened a Pandora's box. We'll see.

Gary


Thanks- I'm glad you found it useful :)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote balacau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 July 2013 at 09:02
This thread is certainly making for some very interesting reading and should (hopefully) get me motivated to take more macro pictures as I have been neglecting the subject somewhat.

Curiously enough, I was looking up any information I could find on the Sony angle finder last night and was wondering if this bit of kit is actually compatible with my a57? That being said, the a580 is often my choice for macro shots anyway so would it work on either of those?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote AutumnRose Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 July 2013 at 15:06
The angle finder is compatible with both cameras. If you type in FDA-A1AM on Sony's site under support, you'll find compatibility charts for accessories.
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