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    Posted: 31 July 2021 at 13:27
I've drawn a conclusion that its time to go full frame and I'm here seeking guidance.    

I suspect the a7II is a suitable candidate for my requirements which these days is down to landscapes and snapshots and not much more. While I have an RX100 which can also cover that scope, I want the image quality that comes from full frame and something more contemporary than the A700 I still use.

While I know that in camera terms the A7II is a bit long in the tooth, are there any compelling reasons not to consider this camera at its price point?

Intent is to use my existing A mount lenses with an adapter until I get a good feel for which E mount lenses I should acquire.

Your views please.

 



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Two things come to mind, the first being battery life. Depending on the state of your A700 batteries odds are the A7ii will drain its batteries faster. More batteries / a grip might be beneficial, depending on usage scenarios.

The second is AF. If the A-mount lenses you wish to employ are screw drive then you need the LA-EA4. I'm not a fan of it, mostly due to a perceived shutter lag. If the A-mount lenses are SAM/SSM/HSM etc, i.e have their own focusing motor, then the LA-EA3 will let the A7ii focus the lenses. There might be a performance drop from what you are used to, I don't have the experience to say.
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If you want to use the same depth-of-field and shutter speed as the RX100 the A7II will show more noise.

The A7RII has a much more competitive sensor as far noise and better AF performance.

There is the Monster modified LA-EA4 if you want to use on-sensor phase-detect with screw-driven A-mount lenses. I haven't used it on the A7II, but it worked alright on the A7RII.

I decided it worth it to upgrade to a used A7RIV, and I recently got the LA-EA5 for it.
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

If you want to use the same depth-of-field and shutter speed as the RX100 the A7II will show more noise.

The A7RII has a much more competitive sensor as far noise and better AF performance.

There is the Monster modified LA-EA4 if you want to use on-sensor phase-detect with screw-driven A-mount lenses. I haven't used it on the A7II, but it worked alright on the A7RII.

I decided it worth it to upgrade to a used A7RIV, and I recently got the LA-EA5 for it.


Good point about the A7RII. It's not significantly more expensive if you shop around. I suspect that's going to be a much better choice, thanks for the suggestion.

The RX100 is a pocket cam for when I'm on the bike. It got me out of jail one time when a lens failed while I was traveling but its not used in any serious capacity. I'm mot shooting sport any more and not a wildlife shooter so the screw drive thing with the adapter is not going to be an issue short term either. It's just to help transition to the new lenses which is a fair investment. Current lenses are a mix of screw drive and SSM in full frame. I'm presuming the APS-C lenses are not going to be worth using on a FF body.

Batteries, I have a fleet of them for the A700. A grip is an extra thing to deal with, and having them for the A700, I don't see a need for casual shooting. I'll buy whatever batteries I need for the new cam in any case.

Currently Sony FE 12-24mm f/4 G, FE 24-105mm F4 G OSS, FE 70-300mm F4.5-5.6 G OSS look to be most suitable for a cut down travel kit to provide the same coverage I have today on APS-C.

But that's a down the track kind of thing and a whole other conversation.



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Have had an A7rii for a few years and yes, you'll be buying batteries for it, it's the most vampiric Sony exchangable lens camera I've had. It has a nice sensor. One quirk is if you turn off auto-review (briefly and automatically show the image just taken) and instead sometimes press to review the photo just taken it will quite often say "Camera busy". It's the only Sony exchangable lens camera I've had that does that. It's a bit slow to do most anything, comparatively speaking. Unless I wanted to crop-to-victory and felt a little bit stressed out about 24MP I would probably get a used A7iii. Crop-to-victory seems popular nowadays. A 4k photo is around 8MP.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 July 2021 at 22:14
I did not find the A7rII that problematic re. batteries. But YMMV. One advise: use a button to switch from EVF to screen. With auto, when you remove the camera from your eye, the screen goes on and keeps draining the battery, with a manual button, the EVF just turns off. Makes a real difference. Just put an extra battery in your pocket and you're set in my experience.

Seeing your use case, the A7r2 makes more sense then the A7II imho. The sensor is wonderful and the AF nice enough - especially when you come from an older camera like the A700.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote keith_h Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 August 2021 at 02:54
Good clues and some additional things to look into/think about.

Thanks everyone for your advice.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote LAbernethy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 August 2021 at 04:38
None of the above. There is a reason Sony switched to the "Z" battery; the 50 was inadequate to the job. Yes YMMV, but if you're coming from the a700, you'll think the battery or charger has something wrong with it. Yes you can take a spare, yes you will need it.
But if you use a grip on an a700 and still need a fleet of batteries for it, I just don't see how you'll manage with an NP-FW50. Maybe an extension cord?
That said, and for the stated use scenario, the wise choice for the budget conscious would be the A7II since it's still available NEW with warranty and kit lens.
That said, you have to be printing really, really large at base ISO for the difference between the a700 and A7II to be seen.
If you're looking for a substantial bump in ISO for those casual snaps and considering the "pre-owned", I would suggest the A7SII. Most "S" shooters are into video and the shutters usually have low actuations.   

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Wētāpunga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2021 at 22:52
Originally posted by keith_h keith_h wrote:

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Currently Sony FE 12-24mm f/4 G, FE 24-105mm F4 G OSS, FE 70-300mm F4.5-5.6 G OSS look to be most suitable for a cut down travel kit to provide the same coverage I have today on APS-C.

But that's a down the track kind of thing and a whole other conversation.



Well, I know it's still a down the track conversation, but I can endorse the 24-105 G as an excellent, all-round performer. It has a very convenient focal length and the image quality is really very good.
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