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Still no new lenses have been purchased.
I was briefly tempted by a Tamron 28-200 in case I end up in Nanjing in October next year. You know, as a one lens travel option. But then I decided the Sony 24-105 covered most of that gap anyway and the Tamron added little of value to my line up.
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Great job on the lenses, but about the body ...

Over on your Photo 150 thread you you said the a9 was one of the best parts of your photographic year. I guess AF, tracking, card speed, what else?

Does the a9 have "no blackout EVF"? A reviewer said even the brand new a7rv gives the "$&@! you I'm busy" message when the buffer fills, not only can't you chimp while it's writing but you can't do ANYTHING until it clears.

I have new / used lenses, no new body though, I should get an a99ii before the good ones break. In debating a7c vs a7iv vs Fuji GFX50sii, I can't say that any of them are what I want.

For lenses I have to say the Venus Laowa 9/2.8 is fantastic, and I finally have a ZA50/1.4 (A mount), so I am nowhere near clear of GAS yet. I'm trying, I really am! No really I'm trying!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AudioDoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 December 2022 at 02:00
Congrats on resisting temptation! I have the Tamron and my friends in Germany have the Sony 24-105 G which I have been a able to try out. Some observations, which are probably obvious. The Sony is heavier and does not zoom past 105mm -- but it does do a wide 24mm. The Tamron will have fringing at 28mm in high contrast and has no built in stabilization. There is a some color difference with in camera jpegs. The tamron is warmer and the Sony more neutral. The Sony may be a bit sharper, but the Tamron is sharp enough. I chose the Tamron, but my friends are very happy with the Sony. Traveling with the the FE-16-35 f4 Sony Zeiss and the Tamron is all I need with me for most situations, but I usually carry my Batis 40mm its one of my favorite primes. The Tamron color somehow reminds me of my old Minoltas, but honestly I haven't done any test comparisons. In most situations the 24-105 G would be enough focal range, but i do like shooting longer sometimes -- 135mm, 150mm, 200mm. So for travel for me it is great! When I am going to locations where that I am familiar with and know my subject I will shoot with a prime of the right focal length. Oh, of course the Tamron is less expensive than the Sony and really is a great bargain for how well it performs for travel.

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Originally posted by 4paul 4paul wrote:

Great job on the lenses, but about the body ...


Ah well, I guess by resisting new lenses I did have to funds for a (used) a9. I really like it, also use if for event photography now over the a7Riii.

Originally posted by 4paul 4paul wrote:

Over on your Photo 150 thread you you said the a9 was one of the best parts of your photographic year. I guess AF, tracking, card speed, what else?

Does the a9 have "no blackout EVF"? A reviewer said even the brand new a7rv gives the "$&@! you I'm busy" message when the buffer fills, not only can't you chimp while it's writing but you can't do ANYTHING until it clears.


There's no shutter blackout when shooting at moving subjects which I find amazing. I can't chimp when it is writing to the card, but the size of the buffer and the speed it writes to the card (I use a UHS-II card obviously) means I can keep up shooting in all practical cases. Maybe it also helps the files are 24MP and not 61MP like the a7Rv.

Also, because it has a stacked sensor it does find the subject much faster than the a7Riii (official specs are 3 times faster) which is great at events. It hones in on the subject's eye at what feels instantly, and you've got your shot. Which is also what makes it so good for wildlife and birds as well.

Originally posted by 4paul 4paul wrote:


I have new / used lenses, no new body though, I should get an a99ii before the good ones break. In debating a7c vs a7iv vs Fuji GFX50sii, I can't say that any of them are what I want.


I did like the a7iv on paper, especially as the video tools have got a welcome boost. But if that's not important to you, I guess it's less appealing.

a99ii's vanished here before most markets, so at the point of camera upgrade, I (just) missed out that option. Probably would have gone that way if it had been available. But I do like the E-mount. The pure manual experience of my Zeiss Loxias or Voigtlander lenses is very appealing.

Originally posted by 4paul 4paul wrote:

For lenses I have to say the Venus Laowa 9/2.8 is fantastic, and I finally have a ZA50/1.4 (A mount), so I am nowhere near clear of GAS yet. I'm trying, I really am! No really I'm trying!


There's many fantastic lenses, so GAS is always lurking in the background. Well done on the ZA50/1.4. That was always something I wanted when I was shooting in the A mount.

I guess what makes it easier this time round as I had a very clear idea of what I wanted to photograph, and what lenses I'd need. Unlike when I got my first DSLR (a100) back in 2007...
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Hi Kelly,


Yeah, my impression is the Sony 24-105 and Tamron 28-200 both have their own unique strengths and neither is better than the other. But it just doesn't seem sensible to get the Tamron when it overlaps with the Sony to a significant degree, just for the (perhaps) annual visit to China. Plus having the wide end (24mm) is often a good thing in China.

My view of travel photography is that it's more about getting good photos with the gear you do take, rather than trying to take a lens to cover all eventualities. You accept that limitation, or go crazy taking too much stuff. Typically I take a short zoom, a long zoom, and 1 specialist lens if I know there are subjects at the locale I want to take.
α1- Voigtländer 15/4.5, 110/2.5 M; Zeiss Loxia- 21/2.8, 35/2, 50/2 & 85/2.4, Zeiss Batis- 85/1.8 & 135/2.8; Sony 24-105/4 & 100-400/4.5-5.6; Sigma 70/2.8 M; Sony 135/2.8 STF
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 December 2022 at 09:49
Maybe it's just me, but after thinking about my own shooting and checking back through my images, I find I hardly ever use the middle of the range in long tele zooms, and when I want the long end I always wish it was a bit longer. When I fit the 100-300mm Minolta APO on the A7 I end up wishing it was a bit wider or focussed a bit closer half the time and being glad of the 300mm end the rest of the time.
I recently bought an A-mount Tamron 28-300mm PZD to use purely as a 70-300mm on the A7 when I need something longer than the 28-70mm or 85/90/105mm portrait/macro. But I usually know whether I'm going to need/want it along on any given day and I don't carry it all the time. Sometimes I just take the 55-210mm E zoom, which is slow in aperture and APS-C but has OSS and the effective length of a 300mm and isn't too heavy. But I hardly ever use it and I've been trying to convince myself that on casual days out the pictures I usually take with the 200+mm lens aren't worth the hassle, and that I'd be better off with a 24-105mm like I used to use regularly on A-mount.
Of course everybody's photography style is different, and I've also been forcing myself to go out with just one prime lens on occasions, particularly when I'm visiting places I go to often.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 December 2022 at 10:55
Just note that the OSS of the APS-C 16-50 OSS, 18-55 OSS, 18-200 OSS LE, and 55-210 OSS does not work on the first generation A7 cameras. It is not clear if the OSS on these works on the cameras with IBIS. There is no note about SteadyShot not working on the VG900, FX6, or FX9.

Edited by QuietOC - 26 December 2022 at 11:18
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 December 2022 at 13:38
Good point. I know the camera's steadyshot is deactivated when I put the Sigma 105mm macro on the MC11 on my A7Rii; it is available on Sony OSS lenses but it isn't clear whether the menu item is actually talking abut IBIS or the OSS function. Do we know which bodies claim IBIS and OSS work together? Is that the 5-axis they talked about?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 December 2022 at 14:20
Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

Good point. I know the camera's steadyshot is deactivated when I put the Sigma 105mm macro on the MC11 on my A7Rii; it is available on Sony OSS lenses but it isn't clear whether the menu item is actually talking abut IBIS or the OSS function. Do we know which bodies claim IBIS and OSS work together? Is that the 5-axis they talked about?


I know, how do you test it? The OSS systems tend to make some noise, but so does the sensor stabilization.

I just tried the PZ 16-50 OSS on my A7RIV. It seems very stable with SteadyShot enabled and the shutter half pressed. And it makes just as much noise without the shutter half-pressed.

Sony claims OSS lenses handle pitch and yaw by themselves and the sensor stabilization handles the other axes. The A7RV offers something different with a few lenses, but Sony isn't very descriptive about it.

I am not sure how the MC-11 deactivates the SteadyShot menu option. That is not something an LA-EA adapter does. I had a couple of EF lenses with optical stabilization and seem to remember that happening too with the MC-11. My other EF adapters explicitly support 5-axis with stabilized lenses. Sigma does too for the MC-11 with their supported Global Vision lenses.

SteadyShot Inside should work fine with whatever optically stabilized is attached as long as the body knows that the lens is handling yaw and pitch stabilization, so the body can disable those for the sensor movements. A-mount Sigma OS does not play well with SteadyShot Inside.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 December 2022 at 00:00
But interestingly on the (canon mount) Sigma 105mm f2.8 DG macro HSM the OS seems to work well in macro (even when the AF sometimes doesn't...) which never worked well with IBIS, and I always had to turn off IBIS in macro.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 December 2022 at 01:29
Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

But interestingly on the (canon mount) Sigma 105mm f2.8 DG macro HSM the OS seems to work well in macro (even when the AF sometimes doesn't...) which never worked well with IBIS, and I always had to turn off IBIS in macro.


Yeah, Sony IBIS doesn't seem that great at high magnifications. I have seen that lens distance encoders can be fairly inaccurate, and the A-mount distance encoders are not very precise.

I know the Canon EF 100mm F2.8 L IS Macro does 4-axis stabilization in lens (called Hybrid Image Stabilization by Canon https://www.engadget.com/2009-09-02-canon-introduces-first-hybrid-image-stabilization-lens-ef-100mm.html) It is possible Sigma figured that out too--it doesn't sound like it from the product page. I haven't found any claims like that about the Sony FE 90mm F2.8 G OSS, and I did look before buying it. It is also not on the list of specially stabilized lenses for the A7RV yet--though I suspect that may only be improved yaw and pitch stabilization.

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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

   It is possible Sigma figured that out too--it doesn't sound like it from the product page. I haven't found any claims like that about the Sony FE 90mm F2.8 G OSS, and I did look before buying it. It is also not on the list of specially stabilized lenses for the A7RV yet--though I suspect that may only be improved yaw and pitch stabilization.


It rather looks like it, and they did have two years to figure it out before they released their HSM version, which obviously involved new optics and micro from the previous model. Using text on my PC monitor as a macro subject, I can excite both angular and translational movements and the OS appears to compensate for either in the viewfinder, which is great!
Thanks for the link. See also Canon's description


Edited by Miranda F - 27 December 2022 at 09:34
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Wētāpunga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2023 at 08:00
Well, GAS has got me.

I've just won an auction for a Sony 18-105mm f4 Power-zoom. It turns out the FX30 pulled me in the APS-C direction, and I didn't have any APS-C lenses. And while my Zeiss Loxias are fine as manual focus options, I can't utilise the FX30's excellent AF systems with them. Plus the price was right...

I guess I have to reset the clock now, and see how I get on by 26 May 2024.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2023 at 09:11
Congrats Kai, I had that lens and it was my most used "walk around" when I was only shooting APS-C. I sold it when I got my Tamron 28-200 for full frame and the 18-105 saw hardly any use anymore, but it performed very well. Emjoy it!
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