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    Posted: 01 February 2019 at 02:13
I have been using a Sony HVL-F32M flash wirelessly with A7RII with no problem, UNTIL:

a few days ago I was setting up for an outdoor portrait of a family group in fairly strong early morning sunlight, that I wanted to do with an 80mm lens, which required setting up the camera at a greater distance from the flash than usual, about 5 to 8 meters, and it didn't work.

When I changed to a wider angle 35mm lens to get the camera closer to the flash it worked fine, so looks like the reason it hadn't gone off before was the inbuilt wireless system was not up to coping with the disance and strong sunlight.

My concern is I don't want to repeat this experience, and finding a solution is not as easy as I thought, since it appears the F32 is designed mostly for prosumer use with less options for connectivity than more up market pro units.

I like the size of the F32 that fits easily in my bag, even if it is not very powerful. What I REALLY like about this particular A7RII + F32M combo is I can reduce the power of the flash via the camera itself that is very useful.

But am not sure what, if any, reliable (affordable) wireless solution I could adopt to be sure next time I try to use this specific flash in strong sunlight at a distance of about 5 meters from the camera it goes off?

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So this is really a continuation of a previous discussion.

My guess (so far untested) is that if you need to guard against sunlight interfering with the F32M's operation, you could make a small 'snoot' out of black paper to protect its IR receptor, and make sure to keep the snoot pointed directly toward the camera. Would such a thing really work and be feasible for field use? I dunno.

A higher tech option would be to try Godox's add-on radio transmitter and receiver for the Sony system. But again, I have no experience with that myself.
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First port of call would be to check if you had the receiver window pointed back towards you?
Second, do you really need TTL or could you go all manual? A cheapo set of wireless manual only triggers will set you back less than $20, don't take up much room in a bag and won't have a problem with sunlight blocking the IR communication between the camera and flash. Could even use the little FM-20 as another source of light that way.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mirthseeker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 February 2019 at 09:45
I just use manual flash and cheap trigger/receiver, a Godox (single receiver) set could cost as little as $70 (plus adapter if you have an older flash).

Edit - though for TTL the receiver is a bit more expensive it seems

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Post Options Post Options   Quote rastapartaman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 February 2019 at 13:40
For non TTL cheap radio trigger will do. You can buy a set like this.

For TTL the godox or the neewer knock off will be the best solution.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote windhorse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 February 2019 at 02:31
Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

So this is really a continuation of a previous discussion.


Yes, you are spot on Syber!

The previous discussion left me feeling that it was worthwhile to stick with with the F32M and see what I could squeeze out of it in TTL mode rather than just replacing it with another more sophisticted flash, that actually ended up being quite an adequate solution MOST of the time - apart from the specific case I mention in this thread.

Taking that into consideration, maybe I ought to have posted this as a continuation of that thread instead of starting a new thread here?

Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

My guess (so far untested) is that if you need to guard against sunlight interfering with the F32M's operation, you could make a small 'snoot' out of black paper to protect its IR receptor, and make sure to keep the snoot pointed directly toward the camera. Would such a thing really work and be feasible for field use? I dunno.


I also don't know, but even if it did work it would be a bit tricky to try and either carry around or unfold and set up such a snoot - unless it was foolproof (but then if it was fool proof it probably wouldn't work with me).

Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

A higher tech option would be to try Godox's add-on radio transmitter and receiver for the Sony system. But again, I have no experience with that myself.


Thanks for the pointer to this option that I was not aware existed.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote windhorse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 February 2019 at 02:45
Originally posted by SnowFella SnowFella wrote:

First port of call would be to check if you had the receiver window pointed back towards you?

Second, do you really need TTL or could you go all manual? A cheapo set of wireless manual only triggers will set you back less than $20, don't take up much room in a bag and won't have a problem with sunlight blocking the IR communication between the camera and flash. Could even use the little FM-20 as another source of light that way.


Hmmmm, you are right... going all manual could have got me out of the jam in the particular situation I refer to.

BUT it would also have cost me the very useful luxury of being able to use the camera to adjust the flash compensation rather than having to keep walking back and forth like a yo yo between the camera and the flash during the shoot... not easy to explain to whoever is standing in front of you waiting for their photo to be taken.

Taking this into consideration, I am thinking one solution could be to continue using the F32M flash wirelessly in TTL mode that works fine most of the time, AND to add a cheap pair of small manual flash triggers to my kit, so I can at least use the flash in manual mode if/when I run into this specific problem of wanting to use the flash at a longer distance from the camera and/or in brighter sunlight than I normally do, right?    
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Post Options Post Options   Quote stiuskr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 February 2019 at 03:14
I'd suggest to get a flash and trigger set instead, with what you're describing you still won't be able to adjust the flash remotely. Look into the Godox TT350s flash and their X1Ts or X-ProS transmitters. Here's one deal on eBay that looks to good to be true, they say it's the flash and X1T set but it's priced for what the transmitter alone sells for. But personally I'd go for the XPro trigger, I have both the XIT and XPro and the latter is much more user friendly.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Godox-TT350S-HSS-TTL-Speedlite-Flash-for-Sony-X1T-S-Wireless-2-4G-Trigger-/183169853445?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10&var=690446394257
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Post Options Post Options   Quote windhorse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 February 2019 at 03:41
Originally posted by stiuskr stiuskr wrote:

I'd suggest to get a flash and trigger set instead, with what you're describing you still won't be able to adjust the flash remotely. Look into the Godox TT350s flash and their X1Ts or X-ProS transmitters. Here's one deal on eBay that looks to good to be true, they say it's the flash and X1T set but it's priced for what the transmitter alone sells for. But personally I'd go for the XPro trigger, I have both the XIT and XPro and the latter is much more user friendly.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Godox-TT350S-HSS-TTL-Speedlite-Flash-for-Sony-X1T-S-Wireless-2-4G-Trigger-/183169853445?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10&var=690446394257


Unfortunately I think this offer is too good to be true

The ebay ad you link to has a box to select STYLE that upon opening is:
STYLE = X1TS with price at less than 50 dollars,
but when I change to select the option:
STYLE = TT305+X1TS the price hops up to just under 125 dollars
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Post Options Post Options   Quote windhorse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 February 2019 at 04:48
Dang!

Just tried to attach the F32M to the hotshoe of the Phottix Ares receiver (which I used to fire my old hammerhead flashes and MFDB camera that unfortunately are are too big to travel with) but it doesn't work.

If I understand right this is because the f32M has a Sony multiinterface shoe, as the A7RII also does, whereas the Phottix Ares system has a standard shoe?

Is there a small and not very expensive radio receiver+transmitter set that will enable camera control of flash power for A7RII and HVL-f32M?



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Post Options Post Options   Quote mirthseeker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 February 2019 at 08:38
You might have missed this post:
Originally posted by rastapartaman rastapartaman wrote:

For non TTL cheap radio trigger will do. You can buy a set like this.

For TTL the godox or the neewer knock off will be the best solution.


Manual only. To control the flash from camera, Godox.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 February 2019 at 15:06
Originally posted by windhorse windhorse wrote:

Is there a small and not very expensive radio receiver+transmitter set that will enable camera control of flash power for A7RII and HVL-f32M?

Not that I know of.

Small and inexpensive = completely dumb trigger with nothing but the capability to fire the flash.

Camera control of flash power = bigger and more expensive.
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Today I found this rather remarkable offer (on Amazon Mexico) for a Neewer NW880S Flash,N1T-S Trigger,S-Type Bracket,16x16 inches Softbox,20 Pieces Color Filter for $1384 Mexican Pesos (about US$75) - not much more than the price elsewhere for the N1T-S controller alone, and decided to pull the (pun intended) trigger.

The reviews for this flash seem to be ok.

It seems to support TTL autoflash and a lot of other whizzy features.

It has a standard hotshoe on top of the controller.

The only downside as far as I can see (so far) is that it looks to be quite a bit bigger than the HVL-F32M, some reviews suggest the recycle time may be a bit slow (that I guess depends on how much power you ask it to pump out?), and quality control may not be as good as with OEM Sony products, since among the happy camper reviews there are a few sour grapes accounts of the unit not working as it should).

Let's see if it is too good to be true?




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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 February 2019 at 05:32
Originally posted by windhorse windhorse wrote:

Today I found this ...

Neewer sells lots of stuff made by other entities but rebranded. What I see there appears to be a rebranded Godox TT685S flash and X1TS controller. Certainly not a bad price for that setup.
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