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If anyone is interested in buying Mamiya 645 lenses, I just listed six "N" and "A" lenses for sale here.
 



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Thanks Terry!

My next "dumb" question for the room:

I asked on a different thread and found out that the crop factor of my A55 would not give me a 500mm using a 80mm medium format lens (my exageration). But that the 1.5X is still a factor.

My question is, since the 80mm medium format is the equivalent of a 50mm on a 35mm...does that mean that the 80mm on my A55 would be a 75mm (or a 120mm)?

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Right now I'm pondering whether 110 or 150mm would be preferable for portrait. No idea on that
(also the bulk of the 150 scares me a bit, but the 110 doesn't look that tiny either)
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Originally posted by Deepcore Deepcore wrote:

Thanks Terry!

My next "dumb" question for the room:

I asked on a different thread and found out that the crop factor of my A55 would not give me a 500mm using a 80mm medium format lens (my exageration). But that the 1.5X is still a factor.

My question is, since the 80mm medium format is the equivalent of a 50mm on a 35mm...does that mean that the 80mm on my A55 would be a 75mm (or a 120mm)?


Well, 80mm "medium" is not necessarily an equivalent for a 50mm FF lens on your Sony FF camera or 33mm on your APS-C Sony camera. If you shoot with a medium camera that produces negatives max. 6cm wide 80mm medium corresponds to 48mm FF (because FF means the senosor/negative is 3,6cm wide). If you use a medium format camera that produces negatives max. 9cm wide (like a 6x9cm Fuji GW 690) the 80mm will correspond to 32mm FF (therefore the standard lenses of these medium cameras are much longer).

But if you have an APS-C camera all this is irrelevant, because you always take the nominal focal length (which is printed on the lens) and multiply it with 1,5.
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Originally posted by Deepcore Deepcore wrote:

Thanks Terry!

My next "dumb" question for the room:

I asked on a different thread and found out that the crop factor of my A55 would not give me a 500mm using a 80mm medium format lens (my exageration). But that the 1.5X is still a factor.

My question is, since the 80mm medium format is the equivalent of a 50mm on a 35mm...does that mean that the 80mm on my A55 would be a 75mm (or a 120mm)?



I don't think so. The focal length is the focal length is the focal length. The thing that changes is the field of view. So as I understand it, an 80mm medium format lens on a FF camera would have exactly the same FOV as a 35mm 80mm lens on a FF camera but on a medium format camera it would be wider.
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Originally posted by gouldina gouldina wrote:

The focal length is the focal length is the focal length. The thing that changes is the field of view. So as I understand it, an 80mm medium format lens on a FF camera would have exactly the same FOV as a 35mm 80mm lens on a FF camera but on a medium format camera it would be wider.


Correct. The focal length is the focal length. An 80mm medium format lens on a 35mm camera projects exactly the same image on the camera's film/sensor as any other 80mm lens on the same film/sensor.

The same lens will have a wider FOV on a medium format camera because of the difference in film/sensor size, not because the focal length magically changes. This is exactly the same reason any given lens will have a different FOV on an APS-C camera and a FF camera.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Deepcore Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 March 2013 at 23:43
Thanks guys!

This is really intriguing...something to consider adding to the arsenal.
Always wanted to use medium format but like the instant feedback of digital capture.
But also can't shell out the cost of medium format with digital capture either. Maybe when the kids are done with college.


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Originally posted by Winwalloe Winwalloe wrote:

Right now I'm pondering whether 110 or 150mm would be preferable for portrait. No idea on that
(also the bulk of the 150 scares me a bit, but the 110 doesn't look that tiny either)

Hi,

The Mamiya 645 110mm f2.8 N is 60mm long and 390g while
the Mamiya 645 150mm f2.8 A is 107mm long and 740g.

In each case you have to add about 18.8 mm for the adapter to Sony Alpha.

I find the 150mm f2.8 A balances well with my A77.

The 150mm f2.8 A is a sizable lens but it is also a great lens
(at least for mine and photosopher's examples and other comments that I've read elsewhere).

In the end it's your decision.


All the best,
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The decision has been made, I ordered a 150/2.8 !
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Post Options Post Options   Quote terryg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 March 2013 at 21:14
Originally posted by Winwalloe Winwalloe wrote:

The decision has been made, I ordered a 150/2.8 !

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haha brilliant! Post pics to this thread when you test it :)
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I just picked up the Fotodiox Pro adapter and I'm having some exposure issues with my A900. I'm shooting manually at 160 ISO and if I meter on a subject it also seem to over expose the image but if I meet and then adjust to about a -2EV, it's a decent exposure. Any tips on what is the best way to meter with these Mamiya lenses? I've got a 35, 45, 55, 80, 120 macro, 150, 200 APO and 300 and would like to make good use of them.
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Originally posted by glefebvre glefebvre wrote:

I just picked up the Fotodiox Pro adapter and I'm having some exposure issues with my A900. I'm shooting manually at 160 ISO and if I meter on a subject it also seem to over expose the image but if I meet and then adjust to about a -2EV, it's a decent exposure. Any tips on what is the best way to meter with these Mamiya lenses? I've got a 35, 45, 55, 80, 120 macro, 150, 200 APO and 300 and would like to make good use of them.

Hi,

You have a good collection of Mamiya 645 lenses there!

I don't have any problems metering with my A77 using the following method:

+ have camera in A mode;

+ have lens wide open;

+ use camera dial to match the "requested aperture"
to the maximum (widest) aperture that the camera assumes the lens has;
with an unchipped adapter such as the Fotodiox Pro this aperture value is probably F1 or similar;
[Actually this step used to be necessary on my Konica-Minolta 5D
but on my A77 with firmware 1.06 and an unchipped adapter
it doesn't seem necessary:
the A77 just shows F-- for the aperture on the top LCD
and F0.0 for the aperture on the EVF display]

+ focus the lens wide open;

+ change the lens to the shooting aperture
(but don't change anything on the camera)

+ press shutter to take photo.

P.S. If after using this process you still want to override the camera's metering occasionally,
still stay in A mode and use +/- exposure compensation.

P.P.S. With the A77's focus peaking I can usually simplify the process by focusing with the lens already stopped down to F4 or F5.6
I don't know whether that would be doable on the A900.

All the best,
Terry

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Post Options Post Options   Quote glefebvre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 March 2013 at 17:11
Thanks Terry,

I'll give that a try.

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