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    Posted: 25 January 2008 at 04:19
I've been interested in doing some comparisons to see what the STF mode did on the Maxxum 7. I got around to it last weekend and thought I'd share the results.

As a disclaimer, I know they aren't great photos but it's what I had to put on the table. I used Fuji Superia 400 film with drug store processing. They were scanned with a Minolta 5400 and Vue Scan. All pictures were taken directly from the Vue Scan jpg output file, light dust removal, light grain dissolving, no sharpening. Natural light, with a window to the left in the photos. Focus was on the flower on the tea pot.

I used a 35 f/2, 50 f/1.7, 85 f/1.4G (all Minolta) and Sigma 70-200 APO EX DG. All photos were taken at or near minimum focus length of the lens. I tried to use a Minolta 28-135 as a baseline but the long minimum focus length made it really irrelevant to the other lenses.

In summary, the STF mode seemed to make the depth of field wider than maximum aperture, while retaining the smooth bokeh. Samples from the 85mm lens are below:

85mm, f/1.4


85mm, f/4


and 85mm, STF


The rest of the test set is at: http://nmguy.zenfolio.com/p184581132/
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dinostrich Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 January 2008 at 13:51
Always interested to see the results this capability gives.

From an initial viewing it would appear that this, in modern parlance, does "exactly what is says on the tin" The out of focus areas ( OKeh bokeh if you must ) appear to be rendered about as smoothly as it is possible to get.

It will just about make any "normal" lens an STF lens.

One additional benefit for me is that I can strike the STF off my wish list and save myself some money although I may have to upgrade my tripod to make good use of it.

If time permits I will have a look at the other samples but this is a fraught time of year.
I shot some film yesterday. I was told last night that film was dead so today I shot some more.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Xavier Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 January 2008 at 14:09
Thanks for the samples. Thing is Dino i've tried using STF for portraits. It's not adequate for those like the lens is. Unless youre going for an experimental multi-exposure look. :o)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dinostrich Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 January 2008 at 14:38
So what's the difference between a teapot and a face ?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Anssisa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 January 2008 at 14:42
A face moves, the teapot does not..
"Click,Click,ClickClickClick" By: A700 + | S 50 f/1.4 | M 85 f/1.4 G (D) | S 135 f/2.8 STF | M 80-200 f/2.8 APO HS G |
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Xavier Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 January 2008 at 15:17
Hehe yup. Using STF for a portrait is like handholding a photo for a second. Even if it's on a tripod the subject sways. And the focal length 135 or so makes it worse still assuming you're using STF in that range.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dinostrich Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 January 2008 at 15:59
Getting interesting. The only shutter speed information I have ever seen mentioned said it was reported as being 1/500 so where does that leave us ? If we use an average spread over 7 frames as being 1/71 then on a tripod that might just be fast enough to stop motion blur. That is assuming one wants acid sharp portraits - most subjects usually don't.

After all flash operates @ 1/160 and you can do that handheld.

Experimentation needed - might get round to it when the January panic is over
I shot some film yesterday. I was told last night that film was dead so today I shot some more.
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The shutter speeds vary according to light. I've have individual STF shutter speeds sound as low as 1/2 second per frame as the aperture gets smaller. This being daylight window-lit shot.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dinostrich Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 January 2008 at 20:32
Everything varies with the light - that is the only constant

Window-lit conditions are not necessarily the best in which to test something out. If I get the chance sometime I will have a stab at it if the conditions are favourable.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote NM Guy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 January 2008 at 21:38
I kind of liked the prospect of getting the STF effect from any lens. The glitch came when I wanted to shoot this test outside there was always too much wind. Shooting people would probably be better but I can see where the long exposue time is going to reduce the number of keepers.

I guess I still get STF with any lens, just can't use the lens in every situation.

I think the exposure shown on the camera is from just the last shot taken in the series. I've also seen that time range from roughly 1/500 to 1/50, depending on shooting circumstances.

As far as the STF effect is concerned, they did seem to advertise is correctly and honestly.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dinostrich Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 January 2008 at 10:47
"As far as the STF effect is concerned,they did seem to advertise it correctly and honestly" - probably true but as usual not advertised enough
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Post Options Post Options   Quote vitor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 January 2008 at 12:48
It would be nice to see similar effect implemented in digital scene mode.
Still didn't had the time to compare 135 STF Lens and 135mm camera STF, this would make a good comparison, between results.

Is anyone able to do that besides me ?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dinostrich Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 January 2008 at 14:34
Thread of 18 January 2008 Shaocaholic - Bokeh comparison - 100/2.8(D) vs 135 STF w/STF mod

Comparison to the macro in STF mode.

Not seen a direct comparison with 135mm.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote NM Guy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 January 2008 at 19:56
Dinostrich, you are right about not touting the STF mode capability enough. But then, there was a lot of forward thinking in their products that didn't get the attention the ideas deserved.

Vitor, I'd like to see the results of the dedicated lens vs. the camera mode. Unfortunately I don't have the tools to make that comparison. If me permits you to do so that would be very interesting.
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