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Originally posted by neilt3 neilt3 wrote:


On the D version it has a clutch mechanism .
I've had two lenses with this feature , a Minolta 24-105mm and Sony Zeiss 16-80mm lens where this mechanism failed .

Parts are no longer available , so if it fails on yours's , you've lost manual focus .

This is a valid reason to stay clear from clutch design lenses, at least for those who use manual focus on a somewhat regular basis.
I've never been a fan of the clutch mechanism, but for a different reason: The design induces some play which makes manual focus a bit of a pain, in my view. I used to have a Sony 100mm macro (bought that one new) that I gladly sold for half the price after purchasing the Minolta RS version of the lens. Never looked back.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote skm.sa100 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 March 2021 at 20:49
Didn't know about that; one more thing to worry about!

I own the 85/1.4 G D and use it for portraits (obviously) and due to the shallow DOF (even at narrower apertures) and also a need for deciding on what to focus on, I use MF a good bit (focus peaking helps a LOT!).

But I've had it for a few years with no issues. Pretty happy with the lens itself.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote wheelerc6 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 March 2021 at 15:50
Thank you everyone for the provided information.   I decided to go with the RS version. So far I am happy with my purchase.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote neilt3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 March 2021 at 16:10
Good choice .
Enjoy it .
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Originally posted by Phil Wood Phil Wood wrote:

Affordable is a moot point - but the Sony CZ 85mm f1.4 is available for much the same price as a Minolta G D.

The Sony 85/2.8 is a cheap option, and a nice lens, but I'd opt for a 100/2.8 macro in that price range. I have both, but neither have the f1.4 portrait magic. My 85/1.4 is the original 1985 variant - no G or D - but I still love it.



My 85/1.4 Minolta is also the original. I had the the Sony/Zeiss... I prefer the old Minolta. I would not trade it for any other version. And for the record, I think the manual focus ring on it is great. But that is just my preference. :)
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Originally posted by wheelerc6 wheelerc6 wrote:

Thank you everyone for the provided information.   I decided to go with the RS version. So far I am happy with my purchase.


I see you bought! Congrats. A fine choice.   
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 March 2021 at 07:31
Originally posted by WestCoastCannuck WestCoastCannuck wrote:

My 85/1.4 Minolta is also the original. I had the the Sony/Zeiss... I prefer the old Minolta. I would not trade it for any other version. And for the record, I think the manual focus ring on it is great. But that is just my preference. :)
The original Minolta AF lenses had great manual focus rings that you could turn easily with one finger. If you like to turn it with more then one finger, yes, they are really small. But like you, I like them as well.
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Sorry to interrupt here, better that adding whole new topic. neilt3 mentions in this thread clutch mechanism issue on newer models. When I was looking to telephoto lenses deal I find (of course, If I am looking for something and I will find something else. ) local deals for Sony CZ 85mm F1.4. Well, autumn harvest and winter is coming and for pictures like this one (LINK https://www.flickr.com/photos/bubakslovakia/50580762728/in/dateposted/ ) fast prime would be fine.

Looking to answer Should I be afraid of possible problems on clutch mechanism of newer and last A-Mount Sony 85mm Prime (= repair options, is Sony able to fix it?) . Also consider Zeiss because expecting that flare from lights of the combine or tractors can be big issue as I figured out (as for Minolta 80-200 F2.8 on those scenarios like on that picture of corn harvest). Or very first version of 85mm prime will be fine? I expect not (80s). Of course, Zeiss would be designed more for digital and those posible scenarios is quite...extreme. Thanks.   
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Post Options Post Options   Quote neilt3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 September 2021 at 13:33
That's something you have to decide !
The later lenses with the clutch mechanism had earlier versions without . The later model offered me nothing that the earlier version didn't , so the choice was simple .

Newer isn't always preferably to me . I like the way the older Minolta's render an image . These CZ lenses are sharp and contrasty , just what many digital shooters ( especially pixel peepers ) are after .
But to me that lack any character , their too clinical .
But each to their own .
The shot you link to of the harvester you seem to say it's let down by the flair from the headlights .
To me , it's the dust being lit up by them and the resulting glow that shows something's happening here and it creates the atmosphere .
Without it , it becomes a static scene .

Regarding parts .
Minolta parts are not available , so the less to go wrong is a bonus .
Mechanical parts can be made by people such as a clock repairer , so potentially can still be repaired .
SSM drives and other electronic components can necessarily be replaced .


Quite a few Sony lenses are no longer repairable as parts are also no longer available .

Are Sony still making any A mount lenses or is it all just stock they have ?
If not , as they run out of parts , they'll also become unserviceable .

I've been tempted to get a Sony 70-400mm G mkii , but it's the question of serviceability that stops me .
Some parts for the MK1 have ran out , so how long for the MK2 ?
The SSM drive seems more fragile than the mechanical drive of earlier lenses , some I'm getting more tempted to settle on a Minolta 400mm prime instead to go with my 200mm and 300mm G primes . Especially now I've got the LA-EA5 and a camera it's works on giving them a fully useable future .




Edited by neilt3 - 09 September 2021 at 13:39
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My experience of focus mechanism failure is limited to one SSM failure and an expensive repair. I have had no problems with any screwdrive, not even Sigma's. I quite like the clutch mechanism on my 100/2.8 D macro amd the much bigger focus ring that it enables -but it is a lens that gets a lot more MF use than most. My 85/1.4 is the original 1985 version and I'm very happy with it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AudioDoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 September 2021 at 16:34
Chad,

I don't think you could go wrong, either way, as long as the lens is in good optical and mechanical condition. For what it's worth, most of my Minolta lenses are "D" versions and not one of them has failed or had any other problems. Don't pay too much, though. Remember these are very good lenses, but only die hards in the Sony/Minolta community will be looking for them. Everyone else has moved on to newer technology. The 85mm f1.4 might have a higher asking price than other Minolta lenses. It is a great lens, though remember it was designed for film cameras. Checkout what other's have paid recently. A few years ago the asking prices may have been higher.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rudolf_K Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 September 2021 at 05:02
Thanks for your answers.

Price? For me i want to keep in 400-500 max today. Even for Zeiss. Just like one user said on recent review here on Dyxum, even that Zeiss version for A-Mount is quite "antique". But it can be beneficial. Otherwise it is not profitable and I see better to buy something newer one for the whole new system.
See if I will have luck. With telephoto I did not have. :( I have keep an eye on offers.
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