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    Posted: 20 November 2015 at 22:50
Minolta Vectis V to Sony E "MONSTER Adapter " by Neil , on Flickr

I've had the Minolta Vectis APS film SLR system for a number of years , Both the S1 and S100 film and V-mount DiMage RD-3000 DSLR from 1999 .
The film cameras are a nice lightweight rain proof system , which is why I bought it . I have been using them for over ten years alongside my A-mount film and digital cameras .
The system was released in 1996 and was a bit like the Minolta film equivalent to Sony's E-mount digital alternative to A-mount .
I think David Kilpatrik on Photoclubalpha was the first to try and utilise these lenses on a digital camera with more than 3 megapixels (!) though it involved duck tape .
I've started dismantling some of my spare Vectis lenses to see about providing power to them to make use , but hadn't got very far when this thread popped up .
Intrigued , I contacted the maker and three months later it arrived .
The adapter cost's about US $250 delivered EMS , delivery took a few days to get to the U.K , then was stuck in customs for just less than a week .
In the U.K we also have to pay an extra 20% VAT (TAX ) and a £16 handling fee .
So in total it cost me nearly £200 .
Having the full set of lenses , I am very happy and feel it was money well spent . I had been considering buying the Sony 16-70mm E-mount lens , with the Vectis 22-80mm seeming to perform so well I don't think that will be being bought anymore .
So at a third of the price of the 16-70mm , I'm quids in !

   
First of all , this adapter powers up the lens so that lenses that allow manual focus can be focussed manually .
two of the Vectis lenses don't allow this so cannot be used .
**This adapter does not support auto focus .**
**This adapter is for still cameras only , not camcorders .**
**It is not compatible with the original NEX 3 or 5.**

The adapter enables aperture control the same as if a native E-mount lens is fitted , ie , via the cameras control wheel .
All exposure modes work as normal , P,A,S,M . Auto ISO works as intended .
The adapter reports the focal length to the camera , not 100% accurate as the 400mm reflex is reported as 405mm , The 50mm Macro reports 51mm and the 17mm is reported as 18mm .
Likewise the 22-80mm zoom is reported as 21mm .
Whether this is a quirk of the adapter or the true focal length of the lens , I don't know . This makes no difference in use , if your camera has image stabilisation , it will work automatically ,as normal . a mm or two out wont cause a problem.
Because the camera knows the focal length of the lens in use / set to in the case of a zoom , in A mode , with auto ISO , it will select a shutter speed and ISO to reduce camera shake as normal , the same as any A or E mount camera .


Like the Canon EOS lens to Sony E-mount adapter , there are a few minor issues to take into mind .For normal everyday use this adapter is perfect for my needs , doing everything I want it to do ( A/F would have been nice though !) .
Build quality is very good . This hasn't just been knocked up in someone's shed , it is very professionally made .
The maker had only had another six made , hopefully he will have more made as these will sell quickly .
A couple of people have contacted me via Dyxum and another via Flickr .
So , just a few things to be aware of ;

1;this adapter is not compatible with the original NEX 3 or 5 .
    All later cameras seem to be supported .

2;On some cameras , if it is set to continuous advance , or a rapid succession of single shots are taken , the camera / adapter can freeze . This might only be an issue on higher end cameras .
On my NEX 7 and John's a7 this happened after between 5 and 8 shots . On an a3000 and an NEX 3n , you could shoot without any problem until the cameras buffer was full .
This made no difference whether the camera was set to JPEG or RAW .
In normal use this does not effect me (YMMV).

3;on the NEX 7 , if the onboard flash is raised , when a shot is taken on about 3 out of 5 shots the camera would freeze .
When using the HVL-F20AM flash unit , it improved to only 1 out of 10 shots would result in the camera freezing .

With the a3000 , there was no issues with using either on board flash or a separate unit .

As John does not have a separate flash , he is unable to test on the a7 .

So between us , these are the only three issues found .
Non of these issues are a concern to me , as it enables me to use my lenses in a way that meets my needs .
Although the adapter was expensive , having the full range of lenses has made it worth while .

The Lenses ?

I'm very pleased with the Vectis lenses , almost all my A-mount lenses are Minolta , from a 16mm fisheye to a 300mm f/4 plus a load of zooms , plus Minolta SR lenses .
So I'm well aware of the quality of Minolta lenses .
I've used the Vectis lenses on the S1 and RD-3000 for years too , and have always been happy , though never enlarged too much . APS film had it's limitations due to size , but I used the cameras in the rain without a second thought .
Minolta put quite a bit of effort into making these lenses to resolve to quite high degree to make up for that .
So it stands to reason if the lenses for the larger 35mm film are good for APS-C , the APS-H lenses are quite at home .
I have to admit that I was a bit concerned that they might not be up to it , considering how much I paid for the adapter.
I have multiple examples of all the lenses so I will need to find which are the best ones , I've found out of my two 17mm ones , one could not reach infinity focus , but the other went beyond it , as per design .
I think the other needs a shim taking out , surprised I never picked up on this before though . That's what magnified live view , focus peaking , 24 megapixel , and pixel peeping on a big screen does though !
I need to compare my other lenses now though .
On my holiday where I used them as my main kit I tested them out in normal use , rather than test charts and brick walls , I will be interested to try them on a full frame E-mount with A/S .
I found the best camera to use the 400mm reflex on was the a3000 due to the ergonomics , despite the poor EVF , the majority of the shooting was with the NEX 7 .
After using the EVF on the a77ii for a while , I found the NEX 7 a bit more awkward , for focus peaking , if you are focusing from near to away , it was fairly reliable .
If focusing from infinity towards you , quite severe back focus occurred , still more testing is needed to work out how best to use it.

The following links are to the sample pictures on my Flickr site .
I will be putting reviews of the Vectis lenses on the adapted lenses forum when time allows .
In the meantime , all samples have been set up in separate albums for each lens . I have multiple copies of each lens , so still need to test them to use the best .
All shots are from normal use , no test charts or brick walls !
I might be more critical on the final selection .

Minolta Vectis V-Sony E MONSTER Adapter on Flickr
Minolta Vectis 17mm f/3.5 RD
Minolta Vectis 50mm f/3.5 Macro
Minolta Vectis 400mm f/8 Reflex
Minolta Vectis 22-80mm f/4-5.6
Minolta Vectis 56-170mm f/4.5-5.6
Minolta Vectis 80-240mm f/4.5-5.6 APO

More photos will be added as I process them and take more .


Edited 22/11/15 to include purchase details.
Anyone genuinely interested in buying one , P.M me and I will pass on Johns email address .
Please note , that I have no connection with John or the adapters , I am just a happy buyer of one .

EDIT ; THESE ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE , AND JOHN IS NOT RESPONDING TO EMAIL'S .


UPDATE RE-   E-Mount Camcorders
The adapter had been developed for still's photography , and had not been tested on any E-mount camcorder's .
However , petesidewalk has now tried one on the Nex-VG10 or Nex-VG20 and can confirm IT DOES NOT WORK .
It is quite likely that it will not work on any camcorder , so bear this in mind .

Thanks for the update Greg .


Edited by neilt3 - 29 December 2016 at 18:41
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Post Options Post Options   Quote neilt3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 November 2015 at 01:09
Just a shot of the Vectis line up .
Both the Black and Champaign Vectis S1's , a couple of DiMage RD-3000's , and a couple of lenses to test out along with some backup lenses !
Apart from the MONSTER Adapter also mounted on the NEX 7 there is an even rarer lens adapter .
Some say it doesn't exist , the Unicorns horn of all adapters , the Minolta A-V adapter (MC-V1 )to mount Sony / Minolta A-Mount lenses on the Vectis V-mount cameras .


The Vectis line up . A 19 year update . From APS film and 3 megapixel to 24 megapixel by Neil , on Flickr

Two rarities together .
MONSTER Adapter meets Minolta's MC-V1 A-V adapter by Neil , on Flickr

The Sony 16-50mm f/2.8 SSM on the Vectis S1.
Sony 16-50mm f/2.8 SSM on a Minolta Vectis S1 via the Minolta MC-V1 Vectis V to A adapter by Neil , on Flickr

And a few of the NEX 7 with a Vectis 22-80mm lens mounted via the MONSTER Adapter .
NEX 7 with the Vectis 22-80mm lens on via the MONSTER Adapter by Neil , on Flickr

NEX 7 with the Vectis 22-80mm lens on via the MONSTER Adapter by Neil , on Flickr

NEX 7 with the Vectis 22-80mm lens on via the MONSTER Adapter by Neil , on Flickr

By comparison , the 400mm f/8 Reflex is more at home on an a3000 due to the ergonomics , shame about the EVF , but easier to focus on than the NEX 7.
a3000 with Vectis 400mm Reflex on via MONSTER Adapter by Neil, on Flickr


Edited by neilt3 - 21 November 2015 at 01:19
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Post Options Post Options   Quote thornburg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 November 2015 at 01:28
Thanks for doing all this work.

Even though it's really unlikely that I'll ever own any of this gear, I still find it fascinating.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Howard_S Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 November 2015 at 10:33
A great set, Neil, and fascinating to have it all brought together in one place. I envy you having the MC-V1 adapter and if I had examples of the 17mm and 400mm lenses I'd be ordering the MONSTER adapter too.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote overeema Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 November 2015 at 14:59
Originally posted by thornburg thornburg wrote:

Thanks for doing all this work.

Even though it's really unlikely that I'll ever own any of this gear, I still find it fascinating.

+1
I remember having considered to buy into Vectis in the 90s, but lacked the budget
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 November 2015 at 15:49
Can I ask the Vectis lens owners how the weather-sealed lenses cope with condensation?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote neilt3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 November 2015 at 00:31
@ Thornburg ,
No problem , as there are always going to be so few of these adapters about anyone trying to find out anything were unlikely to find anything .
I've learnt a lot from Dyxum over the years , lurking long before I registered , so only right to give something back .

@ Howard ,
Thanks . Including mine , I have only heard of three (!) MC-V1's in existence over ten years - so very much more of a rarity .
As you can see I have a couple of Vectis lenses , so even though I was reluctant to spend so much money on an adapter , I knew I would regret it if I missed the chance to get one .
As things are , taking the chance and getting one has saved me a lot of money by no longer needed to buy some E-mount lenses that I had planned .The lenses seem to meet the needs on my E-mount set up .
A-mount still being my main system with the a900 and a77ii .

@ overeema
In retrospect , it's just as well you didn't buy into it !
If cheap digital point and shoot cameras hadn't come along , it might have had a future .
And if Minolta brought out the RD-3000 as an A-mount camera to follow on from the RD-175 ,they might have had a future with cameras still .
Nice as it is/was the Dynax 7d was ( still use mine sometimes) too little to late .
In the late 1990's when I decided to by an SLR I bought an old Minolta 7000AF , 35-70mm f/4 , 70-210mm f/4 and 50mm f/1.7 .
I couldn't afford anything from the same decade , let alone anything new !
And I still have and use those same lenses , though I have a good few more now .
It's only in the last ten years I have obtain so much film gear as the prices plummeted to almost zero value .

What did you settle on ?

@ Miranda F ,
The lenses behave the same as any other lens I have come across with condensation , regardless of if it's a weather sealed one or not .
The seals on the lenses and camera are designed to keep the rain out in normal use .
Precautions are to be taken when changing lenses in the rain , as you would expect .
The lenses themselves are not ait tight , they just have seals on the moving parts and the mount to keep rain out , note the camera was splash proof , not submersible .
When you zoom out , air is drawn into the lens from within the camera body and wherever else air can get in or out .
So if you have been out side in the cold all day , and the glass is cold , when brought inside into the warm humid air , condensation would form on the external surfaces , if you zoomed out , drawing the moist air into the lens , that would result in condensation forming inside the lens .
When I've been using the Vectis S1 outside in the winter , I bring it back into the house in either it's case of wrapped in a cloth or polythene bag and allow it to acclimatise before taking it out to avoid condensation .
The same as I do with my other film or digital cameras .

Needles to say , even if Sony do weather proof E-mount cameras , the lens adapter isn't .
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Post Options Post Options   Quote petesidewalk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 November 2015 at 03:21
It doesn't seem to work on the Nex-VG10 or Nex-VG20. It triggers the electronic de-coupling for the focus ring. Excellent review Neil, thanks for you work and great photos.
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Originally posted by petesidewalk petesidewalk wrote:

It doesn't seem to work on the Nex-VG10 or Nex-VG20. It triggers the electronic de-coupling for the focus ring. Excellent review Neil, thanks for you work and great photos.


Thanks for the update .
I have edited the original post to include this information .
John was unable to test on camcorders and had made it for the still E-mount cameras , it's strange why it won't work , same as on the original NEX 3 or 5 , but good to know .
I will inform him later when I send him an email so he can state this in his ebay listing .
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Originally posted by neilt3 neilt3 wrote:



@ overeema
In retrospect , it's just as well you didn't buy into it !
If cheap digital point and shoot cameras hadn't come along , it might have had a future .
And if Minolta brought out the RD-3000 as an A-mount camera to follow on from the RD-175 ,they might have had a future with cameras still .
Nice as it is/was the Dynax 7d was ( still use mine sometimes) too little to late .
In the late 1990's when I decided to by an SLR I bought an old Minolta 7000AF , 35-70mm f/4 , 70-210mm f/4 and 50mm f/1.7 .
I couldn't afford anything from the same decade , let alone anything new !
And I still have and use those same lenses , though I have a good few more now .
It's only in the last ten years I have obtain so much film gear as the prices plummeted to almost zero value .

What did you settle on ?

I bought into Minolta SR-system in my first year on university. SR-1s, later added XE-5 and then X-700 and a couple of MC and MD lenses. Around 1980 I met my wife and photographic spending was limited to films and processing of films for decades. As the A-mount had larger register distance than SR-mount, there was no ease migration when AF arrived. Therefore goto A-mount or V-mount was equally expensive. V-mount attracted me, but I hesitated because APS film wouldn't be as readily available everywhere as 135 film did, and I missed some fast lenses in the lineup. Meanwhile the digital photography took off. For a while digital camera's that I could afford, didn't match the photopgraphic quality of my SR-stuff with film. In 2008 I decided to buy into the A-mount with A350, CZ1680 and G70300 to start with.
In 2014 I added a really small NEX6 addition resulting in having E-mount also now (and an adapter for my old SR-lenses)
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Hello Neil,

I have some Vectis lenses and I have a Sony A7.
Can I use my Vectis lensis on the A7 with this adapter?


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Hello Roel .
Yes you can , in as far as the adapter will function in the same way as it does with the APS-C cameras .

By this I mean that the Vectis lenses were designed for the APS-H format of film , which whilst larger than APS-C sensors , was smaller than the 35mm full frame film/sensor you have in the a7.

I have the full range of Vectis lenses but I don't have a full frame camera to try them on .
From what I understand only the 400mm f/8 Reflex has Vignetting clearly visible and the other lenses cover the sensor just fine .
This is a shot from an a7 with the 400mm lens .
Minolta Vectis to Sony E-mount by Neil , on Flickr
It's not one I took , but one of John's.
It clearly shows vignetting , but easily crop-able as it's only just showing .
On one of my spare 400mm's I have modified the rear baffle as I think it is this causing it .
When I get chance I will go to a shop that has the a7ii in and try my full range of lenses out on it and report back on the results .
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I have several Vectis lenses and a Sony a6000. How do I contact the adapter maker? Thanks.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote petesidewalk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 December 2015 at 17:44
I have observed the exposure flickering/ readjusting on both my A5100 and NEX 6. Neil, have you experienced this? It also disengages the manual focus control and is diffcult to rotate the manual focus rings of the 22-80 (both copies) and 80-240. Not so much on my 400 f/8 so much. Thanks all.
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