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mariuszlo ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 17 December 2007 Country: United States Location: Jersey City Status: Offline Posts: 3286 |
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I agree that this comparison is a bit pointless. I just wanted to justify my statement that I am not satisfied with the image quality of the Reflex 500. Now for the last comparison.
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Sony a7R4, a6400. E, A and MD lenses.
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XKAES ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 24 September 2021 Country: United States Location: Colorado Status: Offline Posts: 269 |
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Given the DOF seen in both, the f-stops were not the same -- again apple vs orange.
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mariuszlo ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 17 December 2007 Country: United States Location: Jersey City Status: Offline Posts: 3286 |
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F-stops are not everything. First of all, ISO is different.
But I was not able to get a sharp shot with Reflex at ISO100. I used remote control, but with AF the camera shook so much that the picture was blurry. On the other hand, with MF I couldn't get a better focus. This additionally discourages me from using Reflex. It goes deep into the closet. And it's not much cheaper than the Minolta 200/2.8 |
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Sony a7R4, a6400. E, A and MD lenses.
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Matt ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 30 November 2005 Country: Netherlands Location: Limburg Status: Offline Posts: 740 |
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One thing definitely to use with the 500 Reflex is EFCS as (due to the low weight), the 500 Reflex is very susceptible to shutter shock.
See here: https://www.flickr.com/groups/500mmf8reflex/discuss/72157632076839713/ |
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XKAES ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 24 September 2021 Country: United States Location: Colorado Status: Offline Posts: 269 |
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The f-stop will effect the resolution/clarity/sharpness -- as will "shutter shock", ISO and camera movement. The comparisons need to be at the same ISO, at the same f-stop, and on a tripod. And instead of putting the Reflex in the attic, sell it to someone who appreciates it. I have a Soligor 200mm f2.8 C/D and Tokina APO 80-200mm f2.8. I'll have to run some tests against my Spiratone (Tomioka) 500mm f8 CAT -- at ISO 100, at f-8, and on a tripod. |
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woodrim ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 19 October 2009 Country: United States Location: Charleston, SC Status: Offline Posts: 1975 |
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As someone else said, comparing a cat to a refractor is apples to oranges. Unlike telescopes, most terrestrial mirrors aren't very good at infinity, as odd as that sounds. I don't think there has ever been a debate about sharpness and bokeh when compared to a refractor, and especially with today's better lenses.
There may be more than two reasons a person will choose a mirror but I think the most common are size and weight, and just liking them. I fit into both categories. Okay, I'm weird. I do like the unique rendering aside from extreme donuts and I enjoy the challenge of using them. If anyone knows better, you can correct me. I think the laws of refractor optics do not apply equally to mirrors. Depth of field is one of them. I think a mirror has more shallow depth when compared at the same focal length and aperture. We are better off comparing mirrors to mirrors, which can be useful. |
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XKAES ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 24 September 2021 Country: United States Location: Colorado Status: Offline Posts: 269 |
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Perhaps my simple test (above) will shed some light on your believe. I encourage other to try it as well. My A850 has mirror lock up to reduce vibration, but I'll be using a fast shutter speed anyway, on a tripod. |
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neilt3 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 13 September 2010 Country: United Kingdom Location: Manchester.U.K Status: Offline Posts: 3206 |
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Have another look at your lens from the other end . I'm on my second copy as the first one I bought was faulty . There were oil type deposits on the primary mirror which reduced contrast and sharpness . That could well be the issue with yours ? See the below picture I took of it , you need to hold the lens right with soft lighting to see it . ![]() oil on 500mm Reflex by Neil , on Flickr |
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XKAES ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 24 September 2021 Country: United States Location: Colorado Status: Offline Posts: 269 |
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Could that be fungus? Where would the "oil" come from -- I mean besides Saudi Arabia.
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Snegren ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 11 November 2011 Country: Netherlands Location: Zuid Holland Status: Offline Posts: 6238 |
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Any lens has a focussing helicoid that needs lubrication. Grease can deteriorate and run to places where it doesn't need to be.
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XKAES ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 24 September 2021 Country: United States Location: Colorado Status: Offline Posts: 269 |
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I've seen oil leak and streak in lenses, but never splatter.
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darosa ![]() Emeritus group ![]() Joined: 23 March 2007 Country: Netherlands Location: Old Zealand Status: Offline Posts: 13985 |
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Read this. |
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neilt3 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 13 September 2010 Country: United Kingdom Location: Manchester.U.K Status: Offline Posts: 3206 |
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Kebab ? chip pan ? full English breakfast ? Alternatively ; It was only on the inner circumference of the mirror , it looks clear except when held to daylight at the right angle where it had a rainbow type sheen , typically as seen when oil is on water . I've not seen fungi do that . I suspect the lens had been in a car baking in the sun and drawn out the oils in the grease , put on a camera , still hot , and when the AF fired up sprayed off the oil . Only the inner edge of the mirror around the hole in the centre was effected , which would be consistent with it being sprayed/splattered forward . If it was a fungus , I would expect a more random and further reaching dispersal on the mirror . It was a fluid type deposit that I cleaned off with a degreasing agent . It smeared when I touched it , but cleaned up easily .
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keith_h ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 22 May 2006 Country: Australia Location: Australia Status: Offline Posts: 3132 |
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I performed some tests with my AF500 and satisfied myself its sharp enough when used properly and with potentially excellent bokeh. The images are elsewhere in this post.
I'm doubting its going to be terribly useful for sports photography, but it seems if used according to its strengths it provides great results. But it seems to me to be a thing to be used in a specific way rather than a general way. Edited by keith_h - 03 December 2021 at 02:04 |
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