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    Posted: 20 January 2021 at 21:34
Well, I've joined the FE camera club at last!
After wavering over A7, A7ii, and A7iii, I finally plumped for the A7Rii which seems to have everything I need and quite a few things I probably don't , but has a spec which still looks pretty good today.
As the A7iv is just out, the last few new ii models are drying up so I thought I'd go for one of those. S/h copies seem rare, which I hope means lots of happy owners!
I plan to use it initially with my existing APS-C E-mount lenses and adapted A-mount zooms and primes and a few other older FF primes like the East German Zeiss models. We'll see how well they do with 42Mp pixel-peeping!

Can anyone suggest what *affordable* FE AF primes (new or s/h) are likely to show up well on the A7Rii's 42Mp image? I'm interested mainly in the 18-50mm region and I'll almost certainly stick to zooms over 135mm.

Edited by Miranda F - 20 January 2021 at 21:39
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Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

Well, I've joined the FE camera club at last!
After wavering over A7, A7ii, and A7iii, I finally plumped for the A7Rii which seems to have everything I need and quite a few things I probably don't , but has a spec which still looks pretty good today.
As the A7iv is just out, the last few new ii models are drying up so I thought I'd go for one of those. S/h copies seem rare, which I hope means lots of happy owners!
I plan to use it initially with my existing APS-C E-mount lenses and adapted A-mount zooms and primes and a few other older FF primes like the East German Zeiss models. We'll see how well they do with 42Mp pixel-peeping!

Can anyone suggest what *affordable* FE AF primes (new or s/h) are likely to show up well on the A7Rii's 42Mp image? I'm interested mainly in the 18-50mm region and I'll almost certainly stick to zooms over 135mm.

I maintain my Cheap FE Lineup post.

I think the 7R models are best with less sharp lenses like the G zooms. Quite a few cheap primes are too sharp without a low pass filter.

The Sony FE 1.8/50 and Samyang 35/2.8 are good first options. The AF lenses seem to vary more than much cheaper manual primes.

Edited by QuietOC - 20 January 2021 at 22:02
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What is your definition of "affordable"? The easy choices are the FE 50/1.8 and 28/2. Reasonably affordable is the wonderful 85/1.8. If you're patient, the 55/1.8 can be somewhat affordable.

Oryou could go Samyang, they have a nice set of primes, but make sure the lens has the right firmware or be okay with getting the lens station to update the firmware.

The Tamrons are quite affordable, especially the 24mm (35mm has a lot of competition and the 20mm seems to be not that good).
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:


I maintain my Cheap FE Lineup post.

I think the 7R models are best with less sharp lenses like the G zooms. Quite a few cheap primes are too sharp without a low pass filter.

Can you explain that?
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congrats on the purchase - a fine choice

(sorry, I can offer zero help with the FE lenses, all new to me!)
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Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:


I maintain my Cheap FE Lineup post.

I think the 7R models are best with less sharp lenses like the G zooms. Quite a few cheap primes are too sharp without a low pass filter.

Can you explain that?

They need some optical blur for natural looking images because they don't have an optical low pass filter to do that.
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Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:

congrats on the purchase - a fine choice

(sorry, I can offer zero help with the FE lenses, all new to me!)

Thanks. I have quite a lot of A-mount lenses and MF primes that I plan to try out before 'investing' in any new FE primes.
I found that in A-mount many of the APS-C lenses, even zooms (the more recent ones at any rate) were significantly sharper than the older Minolta lenses, especially near MFD. The Min 35-70 f4 was a particular exception being one of the few older zooms that was pin sharp right up to its MFD and closer with a TC or extension.

I did try a lot of them on the A58 and a few of them on the Nex-6 but there seemed little point against the rather good DT lenses. I did try out a few on the A900 when I had it but not enough to form much of an opinion. Now I'm on FF I'll have to run through them all again and decide which i like and why, and whether I want to duplicate any of those FL on native FE mount.

Reading the lens reviews, most of the E-mount lenses seem to have a lot of flaws - dark corners, heavy distortion, soft corners, slow noisy AF; are they really so much worse than the A-mount lenses or are people just a lot more critical nowadays?
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:


I maintain my Cheap FE Lineup post.

I think the 7R models are best with less sharp lenses like the G zooms. Quite a few cheap primes are too sharp without a low pass filter.

Can you explain that?

They need some optical blur for natural looking images because they don't have an optical low pass filter to do that.

What do you mean by natural looking?

Edit: Are you referring to aliassing from natural textures with lenses that have a high MTF beyond the sensor's optical Nyquist frequency? The kind of thing we used to see so much of when the weathermen wore tweed jackets?
And is that a problem with in-camera jpegs too?

Edited by Miranda F - 20 January 2021 at 23:14
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

   
I maintain my Cheap FE Lineup post.

Thanks for the link. You seem to have tried most of the lenses I'm interested in but it's a little difficult to judge from your reviews which ones you actually like.

I note in one of your posts on that thread you say "I am also surprised by the number of APS-C lenses that cover full-frame: DT 30 F2.8 Macro, 18-55, 18-70, 55-200." From remarks I've read that doesn't seem to be the case with many E-mount APS-C lenses; do you suppose that's because the A-mount lenses have a longer optical path from rear element to sensor and thus a smaller angle subtended?
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(mmm, edited)

Be careful reading the reviews, here and elsewhere ... if the lens spec meets your needs then you are partly there already. Not all the reviews have been written by people with photographic talent.

It does look like 'some' of the earlier/original Zeiss designs are not really up for the 42+mp sensors - so perhaps newer design/launches are a better bet?

I'd be interested to know if you are planning to stay mixed format FE/E/A or gradually work to be all FE? I'd like to add an a6xxx body and a couple of lenses for some studio ideas, possibly for in-the-field use too, one day (next year perhaps).

(have a feeling that 35-70/4 had some special roots!)

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Congratulations on the purchase, but errr....
Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

As the A7iv is just out

... did I miss something?
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PS - the UK prices of 'some' of the Samyang primes (in that zone 18-50 you mention) have just gone up by a fair bit! I've never really looked closely at Samyang prices before so not sure if they do an nov/xmas/new-year price drop and maybe this is a rebound?
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Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

   
I maintain my Cheap FE Lineup post.

Thanks for the link. You seem to have tried most of the lenses I'm interested in but it's a little difficult to judge from your reviews which ones you actually like.


I pretty much like all of them. I have too many lenses and not enough time or energy.

The Sony FE 1.8/50 is an unappreciated hero. I also really like the Sigma 45/2.8. I am liking the Samyang 35/1.8 so far--I need to use it more. Those would be my top three right now.

The Tamron OSD primes are fine. The 20mm is the best of three.

Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:


I note in one of your posts on that thread you say "I am also surprised by the number of APS-C lenses that cover full-frame: DT 30 F2.8 Macro, 18-55, 18-70, 55-200." From remarks I've read that doesn't seem to be the case with many E-mount APS-C lenses; do you suppose that's because the A-mount lenses have a longer optical path from rear element to sensor and thus a smaller angle subtended?

Probably. More baffles/less reflections/more contrast.

Here is some coverage of APS lenses at moderate distance.

Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:


Reading the lens reviews, most of the E-mount lenses seem to have a lot of flaws - dark corners, heavy distortion, soft corners, slow noisy AF; are they really so much worse than the A-mount lenses or are people just a lot more critical nowadays?

I am definitely more critical now, and lenses are getting better.

Small mirrorless lenses do tend to have more corner shading. Some lenses avoid correcting distortion optically. It seems to give better results doing it electronically. And simple barrel distortion has some geometric advantages.

Tamron OSD primes + FE 2/28 -- barrel distortion
Samyang AF primes -- low distortion, less sharpness away from center
SLR primes -- low distortion, brighter corners



Edited by QuietOC - 21 January 2021 at 02:51
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Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

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Reading the lens reviews, most of the E-mount lenses seem to have a lot of flaws - dark corners, heavy distortion, soft corners, slow noisy AF; are they really so much worse than the A-mount lenses or are people just a lot more critical nowadays?


Well I've shot a lot of A-mount G lenses in the past, and my own impression is that people are simply a lot more critical. If we'd applied the same standards to E-mount lenses as we did to A-mount 20 years ago, there'd be almost nothing to separate the E-mount lenses from each other. They'd be tightly clustered in a group of excellent lenses.

So there is a tendency to look for minor differences to separate lenses from each other that would be overlooked in the past when lens reviews were composed. These minor differences often mean little for actual applications.
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