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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

Unlike the A7II, the A7RII comes with a battery charger and two batteries.


There was a brief moment (in Dec 2020) when the 'body only' price of the A7II and A7RII differed by just £200.
£999 vs £1199

With Sony's official price of the battery and Sony's own "$5" charger
... including TWO batteries and a charger puts them very very very very very very very very close in price.

Thankfully the difference is now £300 and I will not be upset to learn this!

PS - if Sony are reading, please include a dual-battery charger and ONE battery with the external grips
... and drop the price a bit (thanks)
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

Unlike the A7II, the A7RII comes with a battery charger and two batteries.

... and buying new means there's a pretty good chance it's in the box (and that there is a box) ...

And it uses the same batteries as the Nex-6 which avoids the major pain of having to maintain two battery sizes (or 3 with the A58). I bought two new duracells recently for the Nex-6 and they seem good. It will be interesting to compare them with the new Sony ones on the A7R.

Edited by Miranda F - 22 January 2021 at 23:51
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Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

Unlike the A7II, the A7RII comes with a battery charger and two batteries.


There was a brief moment (in Dec 2020) when the 'body only' price of the A7II and A7RII differed by just £200.
£999 vs £1199

I paid £1200 UKP for mine (new) from the only UK camera shop that seemed to have any left. I've seen the Rii selling for £1100 s/h, while the A7ii seems to go for around the £700-800 mark s/h.
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Yeah, got my A7II new too - price was too tempting to not do it (£899 with free SanDisk 64GB and half price 50/1.8) - was a sweet sweet deal. I knew I'd be trying that 50/1.8 one day anyways. Also means I can delay my 50/2.8 macro for a bit.

Did see some super used deals on A7 II in my search. And one used A7RII with 2-3k frames for a great price at one of the few shops I've used for used ... but happy that I went for the NEW & vanilla instead (and 24mp is too many for me, so 42mp is crazy for my needs!). I can safely stay away from the 'is this lens good enough for 42mp' zone too. If the 'S' line weren't so silly priced I'd jump on one of those as 12mp is plenty for me.

I do wonder how long Sony will keep the A7RII available NEW now that the A7RIV is out. Lots of the shops I looked at in Dec were 'expecting stock'.
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Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:

I do wonder how long Sony will keep the A7RII available NEW now that the A7RIV is out. Lots of the shops I looked at in Dec were 'expecting stock'.

Interesting. I assumed they were almost all out of stock and would not be getting any more. I guess it depends on when the A7Riv arrives. I would expect them to switch one of the production lines from ii to iv while leaving the iii alone, so there would be a gap in manufacturing while the line is swapped over (possibly short) and a (possibly longer) gap while the bugs and issues are sorted. Normally you make quite a few items as a test run and put them through a lot of trials, and it is these that take the time, not actually changing the line itself. And the production people need to do a lot of things to check the manufacturing is going properly before they make any to test or sell.
My guess is a two-month hiatus but that is just a guess. Don't know how Covid will affect this.
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Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

I would expect them to switch one of the production lines from ii to iv while leaving the iii alone
AFAIK these kind of cameras are not made on "production lines" - depending on what you mean by this. Cameras are build by series production, meaning they are batch produced. So, today they produce R4, next month R2 and in March R3 on the same line. It is wholly possible designed the cameras (and therefore the production "line") in a way that allows easy switching between generations of cameras. It could explain some of the design choices Sony made.
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Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:

I do wonder how long Sony will keep the A7RII available NEW now that the A7RIV is out. Lots of the shops I looked at in Dec were 'expecting stock'.
As long as stocks last. I seriously doubt that Sony would actually make any second generation α7 models any more, but presumably warehouses around the world still have significant number of pristine units left.
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Not the R - but my vanilla A7II was manufactured 10-2010. If '£900'-ish is the new street price of the A7II (and £1200 for the R II) I'd like to see Sony continue manufacture and stock them. R&D costs are all resolved now for those models.

As a gateway model, supported by 28/2 and 50/1.8 and 85/1.8 prices - plus the Samyang AF options ... it'll bring many budget conscience or simple-needs people into the system. I can imagine an RII one day if I got really into studio stuff. But can honestly not see any reason for any of the III and higher versions as I just don't need any more tech.

I can see why the version "I" models have been discontinued though.

The RX100 III is still available new - and my guess is that that is still in production. It is significantly cheaper than the current top of the line Va (24-70). Just a handful of places still stock the IV and V new (likely, discontinued). There are considerable differences between RX100 III and Va and the III is still a very capable camera at a nice price. Likewise, no reason to keep the I and II around. Four models is plenty (III/Va & VII/VII).
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I looked at Wex and, rounding up, they had the RII (awaiting stock) at £1200, the RIII at £2200, and the RIV at £3200. Those are substantial steps in pricing!
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The A7RII is still a very good camera. And at the current price level it's a great buy. I bought one two years ago - also with a heavy price reduction, and i am still happy with it (although i also have an A7III).
For the battery issue that they don't contain enough juice to last for a day - i bought a bigger external battery with a dummy from Jupio.
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Also depends on the store and the interpretation of 'awaiting stock'
WEX are pretty good at showing legit stock and don't just leave things there for the clicks. They have some more extreme stuff as 'special order' e.g. 600/4 - which they clearly only get in for an actual order instead of holding inventory (understandable given the price!).

Having been in the Fujifilm XPro2 or X-E3 or X-T3 zone a while back when the XPro3 launched I was able to see stocks of XPro2 disappear and then reappear. Fuji tends to sell through their older models (not smart enough to see the great idea Sony have). Fuji are also known for moving new stock around Europe (well, they were when the UK was part of Europe). Two of my cameras arrived with just EU plugs and the store I bought them from had a stockpile of Fuji UK wire/plug ready to send out to customers like me who got EU stock that fuji had been too bone-headed to to remember we have a different wall socket.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 January 2021 at 15:14
Originally posted by Hezu Hezu wrote:

Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:

I do wonder how long Sony will keep the A7RII available NEW now that the A7RIV is out. Lots of the shops I looked at in Dec were 'expecting stock'.
As long as stocks last. I seriously doubt that Sony would actually make any second generation α7 models any more, but presumably warehouses around the world still have significant number of pristine units left.
I hope not, it would be bad business have that much inventory...
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

I would expect them to switch one of the production lines from ii to iv while leaving the iii alone
AFAIK these kind of cameras are not made on "production lines" - depending on what you mean by this. Cameras are build by series production, meaning they are batch produced. So, today they produce R4, next month R2 and in March R3 on the same line. It is wholly possible designed the cameras (and therefore the production "line") in a way that allows easy switching between generations of cameras. It could explain some of the design choices Sony made.


Mmm, Perhaps so, but I'm not sure that makes much of a difference in the end. I have watched a video of the Sony production line (A7 IIRC) and I know our own company's production system in Devon.

We have a highly flexible system that can produce literally hundreds of variants at 2 weeks notice (you specify all the different voltages and currents you want from the power supply and then select loads of other things); but bringing in a new model line (even one only slightly updated in principle) still takes months to do with all the testing and trial runs. Yes, you can slot them in, but that still takes time in the line.

Maintaining that flexibility needs a lot of cost and storage overhead given that it is not possible to get everything made 'just in time' and you need to keep on top of the obsolescence and changing materials.

On the Sony production line the girls may be given their instructions by computer and have all the bits needed in marked trays in front of them, but somebody has to write the program, somebody has to switch the program that fills the trays, and all the inevitable mistakes in setting up need to be ironed out. The more different models you maintain, the more the overhead.

I'd be happy to see Sony continue to make and sell the Rii alongside the Riv but I don't think it will happen unless their is a high-level decision made to maintain the Rii as an entry model, which sounds unlikely to me
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@Miranda ... don't forget the entry price point of the A7 II and A7 R II will almost certainly be part of Sony's plan to keep these old cameras available. The RX100 III is a nice example to look at. Launched 2014? Still available new today - will fit many people's needs, and some/few/lots will then get hooked in the RX100 line and become future Va and VII buyers. In my case it led to an A7II.

Maintaining even a once a month or once every 2-3 months run of RX100 III or A7 II a year is almost just materials/labor. A lot of the fixtures in the models are identical, so the internal construction is likely to be very similar.

Sony will know that selling you an A7RII and me an A7II 'today' will result in a future lens purchase and likely another body one day. They aren't leaving these old models available by accident - I'm amazed Canon etc. haven't copied this to the same extent.

Like you, I've worked with manufacturing sites directly (not camera gear though). For almost 15 years on my part - enough to see production move from one country to another, one company to another. Tech transfers are amazing projects to get involved in. All of which is complex and takes time/effort. But I've also seen old products maintained for a long time (where there is demand).

The classic photography example is the legendary Vivitar 283 flashgun - wasn't this one of the longest running pieces of photo kit? It went through several generations of plastic moulding during it's very long production time. Internally it won't have changed much. I would happily buy one today if they still made it.
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