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PS: A99II is definatly also my dream camera, I would buy it with no regrets and switch to FF in a second if I could afford one
 



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Originally posted by Imaginations Imaginations wrote:

I really like the specs on the 77II, I know it will be an improvement on my 77, but the tech is 4 years old, the firmware is also 4 years old. I can't buy a new camera every year, so I have to think long term. If I buy it now I would like to use it for at least 5 years.


The tech which has advanced most in the last ten years is eye-AF functionality, which may not be relevant to you, and even the 4-year old tech is still very good at other things.

Originally posted by Imaginations Imaginations wrote:

So my new train of thought: buy a 2nd hand SLT to replace my 700. I am thinking A68. It looks to me like a dressed down A77II, I could work with that for a little while. I could continue saving up money and just see where the market goes. If Sony will release another SLT (fingers crossed), if E mount lenses will get cheaper versions (sigma, tamron)

The A68 does look like an only-slightly-cheapened version of the A77ii; it has AF micro-adjust which will be useful, but lacks the better EVF. If you do go for an A68, I'd strongly recommend buying one brand new as they are very cheap today, hardly less than s/h prices.
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Originally posted by Imaginations Imaginations wrote:

Thanks all for your replies, I really appreciate it! You have given me lots to think about and some new ideas!

I should have said, mirrorless looks like the future instead of clearly is, that was my dissapointment speaking after the photo event I went to. The Sony booth was all mirrorless and some cybershots, no 99II of 77II. I really wanted to see them both and play with them a bit. To me it came across like they abandonned the A mount.

As for FF or APS-C, that wil definatly have a big influence in my choice. I've been shooting APS-C with 400mm lenses for 11 years, so I am really used to it. And I sometimes do feel I am still lacking focal length The 6000 series is definatly not an option, I need IBIS since I shoot handheld most of the time.
α6500 does have IBIS, but then its AF may still be a nod behind...
Originally posted by Imaginations Imaginations wrote:

AF speed is also important. I really love my A77, but it frustrates me sometimes when I miss a shot because it is not fast enough. It's has no problem with relativly slow moving animals like big whales, but speedy dolphins are a challenge! And I don't mind a challenge now and again, but when I miss a jumpshot I am a bit bummed.

I am really glad to read that you all think that the SLT's have a future, beacuse if there will be a 77III that would 100% be my first choice! I really like the specs on the 77II, I know it will be an improvement on my 77, but the tech is 4 years old, the firmware is also 4 years old. I can't buy a new camera every year, so I have to think long term. If I buy it now I would like to use it for at least 5 years.

The 7 series with adapter and A mount lens would be a temporary solution. I get that E lenses will ofcourse get better results, but E mount is very expensive, so I would have to take it step by step.

So my new train of thought: buy a 2nd hand SLT to replace my 700. I am thinking A68. It looks to me like a dressed down A77II, I could work with that for a little while. I could continue saving up money and just see where the market goes. If Sony will release another SLT (fingers crossed), if E mount lenses will get cheaper versions (sigma, tamron)

I also really like the idea of sticking with A mount for the wildlife and E mount with a small zoomlens for landscapes (and maybe even macro)
That has been my modus operandi so far (although so far for macro work I may still use α99 more as my long macros are Sigma 150/2.8 and Tamron 180/3.5 for A mount) and it works fairly well. Of course, one complexity with this approach is that the cameras use different battery types (and worth a note is the latest E mount models use different, more powerful battery than the earlier ones). I have to admit that I have been seriously considering to lean slightly further towards preferring E mount, since α7(R)III/α9 + FE 100-400 GM (perhaps even with tele-converters!) seem to get praise for AF capabilities and I occasionally find that my α77 II + Sony 70-400G or Tamron 150-600 may struggle in AF at times. And then there is that FE 2.8/400 GM to drool over, although its price tag means that it is mostly a object of desires as I'm not sure if I'm in financial situation where I can that easily justify myself spending 12.5k euros on a lens...
And I'm not even 100% sure where my ventures in world of Sony ILCs will take my next since I recently took a sidestep by acquiring Sony RX10 IV, which seems fairly well match the praises I had heard about that: roughly 1 kg in similar size as small ILC+normal zoom that offers 24-600 mm equivalent F2.4-F4 lens with very capable AF. Of course 20 MPix 1" sensor has few disadvantages over the larger sensors in ILC, but still offers quite respectable image quality. I presume that now, if I go out birding with a fieldscope I most likely will leave my heavier camera setups home and rely on that superzoom...
Originally posted by Imaginations Imaginations wrote:

Maybe black friday will bring some awesome deals that could sway me to go that way
I would doubt that SLT models would end up in special offers as sadly A-mount is falling out of favour and also the third generation of α7 series may still sell too well without special promotional prices, one representative of Finnish camera shop said to me that so far they had not yet really had any α7R IIIs that would end up in store shelves for display as there is always few buyers who have reserved theirs.
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I don't regret getting my A68. Mine was a refurbished model sold on a eBay auction by Secondipity. I enjoy not having to swap batteries allowed by the reduced power consumption. The minor EVF and display differences are not really noticeable. The A68 battery life seems to be just as good as the A58 despite the better sensor and AF system. AF-C works well with the Sony DT 55-300 SAM at 5 FPS. I considered switching to a Nikon DX SLR, but the A68 did better with that lens in my testing. I could reduce my A-mount lenses to just the 16-50, 50-150, and 55-300 zooms.

I might replace my A6000 with an A5100 because I miss that body.

Edited by QuietOC - 13 November 2018 at 14:41
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 November 2018 at 09:23
Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

I could reduce my A-mount lenses to just the 16-50, 50-150, and 55-300 zooms.

What, and sell all those primes you've reviewed?

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

I might replace my A6000 with an A5100 because I miss that body.


What do you prefer about the A5100?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 November 2018 at 15:35
Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

I could reduce my A-mount lenses to just the 16-50, 50-150, and 55-300 zooms.

What, and sell all those primes you've reviewed?

The 16-50 and 50-150 make most of the primes redundant.

Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:


Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

I might replace my A6000 with an A5100 because I miss that body.


What do you prefer about the A5100?

Well, I had an A5000 not the A5100, but they share a body. I find the A6000 less comfortable to use than the A5000. I am not sure what exactly is wrong with the A6000. The grip and control placements just don't work well for me. Tap to magnify/tap to focus would be nice to have.




Edited by QuietOC - 14 November 2018 at 15:42
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Because of nice ISO control a6300/a6500 have all buttons/dials/weels one can need for shooting stills and surely RAW, if body is not too small for big hands. Everything essential can be accessed quickly. For me EVF is good too. What I miss all e-mount years after a700 is joystick, now available on A7 series and a9.    
I use magnification lot. I have put it directly under my thumb - original AF/MF/AEL switch AF/MF position.

a6500 & some nice e-mount lenses. Be fond of photography - this is the way to alleviate stress
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Hi all,

Thnx again for all the input, it got me thinking a lot about camera's and what I want out of them. I had decided to wait for Sony's plans for 2019, but I just came accross a very good deal on a 2nd hand 77II and I just could not resist...
I hope it turns out to be what the shop promised (as in hardly used).
So now I can wait patiently for Sony's next move, might even be willing to wait until 2020. I am hoping for a 77III, but if that's not in the cards an E mount APS-C that looks and feels more like the 7 line up will be something to look into as well.
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You'll enjoy the A77m2, it is a really nice camera!
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I think I most definatly will, did a testrun for about 2 hours earlier this week at a nearby zoo, it was great! No ghosting and shooting through wires was so easy!
But there is much to learn and the manual really is crap, so I am thinking of buying the Gary Friedman book to get me through the menu etc.
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Originally posted by Imaginations Imaginations wrote:

But there is much to learn and the manual really is crap, so I am thinking of buying the Gary Friedman book to get me through the menu etc.


Hands down that's the best accessory you can buy for a new camera.
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A77 mK 2, 70-400 and the Gary Friedman book, perfect combination, you will not go wrong, you have a superb camera, I would not part with mine, good shooting.
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