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Free upgrade to Pro for the Sony specific C1 subscribers just launched. Very easy to upgrade. Email advises backing up styles etc. but although I did, I didn't need to use them as they ported across fine. Just follow the normal update process from C1, download the new version and authenticate using your existing key.

Will make life easier should you want to view any images captured with non-Sony cameras and main other benefit is increasing number of machines you can have it installed on from 2 to 3. You'll continue paying your current Sony subscription rate, though if you cancel your subscription you'll. be back in at full price.
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Thanks- got the email this morning. Good to know the styles ported over easily.
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It would be nice if they added support for HDR displays and output formats. No more JPEG. Other photo software has this already. But Capture One seems like the only raw software that supports Sony's embedded lens profiles.

Edited by QuietOC - 05 April 2022 at 21:56
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

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What output formats are you looking for? There seem to be lots of settings in that area that I haven't really explored, but assumed everything was catered for?
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

... Capture One seems like the only raw software that supports Sony's embedded lens profiles.

How can you tell if software is using an embedded profile vs. one of its own?
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Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

... Capture One seems like the only raw software that supports Sony's embedded lens profiles.

How can you tell if software is using an embedded profile vs. one of its own?


Well in Capture One it is obvious. The embedded profile is labeled "Manufacturer Profile" in the Recommended Lenses list under Profile. If Capture One doesn't have their own profile the embedded profile gets applied by default. I'd prefer if the embedded profile was always applied by default.

Exiftool shows the embedded parameters. It doesn't seem like it would take that much work to figure these out.

Sony cameras will happily embed the wrong profile like for Tamron A-mount lenses that borrow the Lens ID of Sony lenses.

Some raw software relies on a project called Lensfun for lens profiles. Many Mac OS ones rely on Apple's raw support which so far hasn't extended to Sony's last released cameras.



Edited by QuietOC - 06 April 2022 at 19:47
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Originally posted by Tricky01 Tricky01 wrote:

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

output formats
What output formats are you looking for? There seem to be lots of settings in that area that I haven't really explored, but assumed everything was catered for?


It seems like only the recent video codec based formats like WebP and HEIF support HDR display. Theoretically TIFF allows it. Technically you can store wide-gamut HDR with standard JPEGs, but being limited to 8-bits makes that pretty awful. But that is how Hybrid Log Gamma options in Sony cameras have worked until very recently.

WebP is Google's format and since the major and most minor browsers are webkit based WebP is well supported.

Sony has added HEIF to their latest cameras. My A7RIV does not have it. Apple has used HEIF exclusively for several years. I have a lot of HEIF images.

Capture One only supports 8-bit PNG, but PNG does support 16-bit.

Capture One used to support JPEG XR which supports HDR, but they dropped JPEG XR and JPEG 2000 output options mid version 21. JPEG XR was a Microsoft thing, so probably not a great loss. It is poor timing when users now have a reason to want it.

Edited by QuietOC - 06 April 2022 at 20:14
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

... Capture One seems like the only raw software that supports Sony's embedded lens profiles.

How can you tell if software is using an embedded profile vs. one of its own?

Well in Capture One it is obvious. The embedded profile is labeled "Manufacturer Profile" in the Recommended Lenses list under Profile. If Capture One doesn't have their own profile the embedded profile gets applied by default. I'd prefer if the embedded profile was always applied by default.

Exiftool shows the embedded parameters. It doesn't seem like it would take that much work to figure these out.

Sony cameras will happily embed the wrong profile like for Tamron A-mount lenses that borrow the Lens ID of Sony lenses.

Some raw software relies on a project called Lensfun for lens profiles. Many Mac OS ones rely on Apple's raw support which so far hasn't extended to Sony's last released cameras.

That's all true, but I'm thinking there could be software other than Capture One that supports the embedded ones, and maybe it's not obvious when it does instead of using external profiles.

(As an aside, what about Sony's own software? I wouldn't know, but I suppose it might or might not.)

Edited by sybersitizen - 06 April 2022 at 21:11
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