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    Posted: 09 December 2022 at 08:57
Hey guys,

I swear I wasn't after alitteration!

I'm trying to find out, is normal for Minolta A-mount lenses to have an apereture that appears asymmetrical when it's stopped down to the maximum / not attached to camera?

I recently acquired a "mint" Minolta 135mm f/2.8 STF and without the lens attached the aperture looks like this:

https://postimg.cc/gallery/3HZbrbn

And I'm trying to find out if that's normal for this lens and/or Minolta a-mount in general.

I am new to Minolta A-mount but have owned lenses in almost every other mount (OM, Canon FD, Leica R-mount, Hexanons, Nikkor F-mount, Canon EF, Pentax K-mount) I can't recall ever seeing anything like this before

This is an image of the 80-200 taken from Ken Rockwell's site ( https://www.kenrockwell.com/minolta/maxxum/80-200mm-f28/D3S_9736-front.jpg) and it also looks non-circular when stopped down. Given I'm seeing the same thing on a totally different lens design, it makes me think maybe this is normal A-mount.

The seller of the 135mm f/2.8 STF is being kind and is offering a return but before jumping the gun and claiming it's defective, I wanted confirmation.

Edited by slrl0ver - 09 December 2022 at 09:03
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 December 2022 at 09:34
I don't think it's normal, none of my A-mount lenses show such an asymmetry when fully stopped down (disconnected from the camera).

So I think there is something wrong, does it become symmetrical when using larger apertures when mounted on the camera? If you operate the aperture on the lens by moving the aperture lever with a toothpick or match stick does it always come back to the same asymmetrical shape or does it change shape when closing down again?

(btw, your image link works fine, the Ken Rockwell one doesn't show because that website doesn't allow hotlinking)
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Hi,

Thanks for the quick reply.

It always returns to that position when not mounted or when the lever is not pushed by a tooth pick, etc. When it's near wide-open or open it does "looks" normal.

Not trying to drive clicks to KR, here's his review of the 80-200 f/2.8 APO and the image I linked was below the word Diaphragm (

https://www.kenrockwell.com/minolta/maxxum/80-200mm-f28.htm )

Looking on eBay at other 80-200's, they show a similar "non-circular" shape.
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heei,

actually this is not as it is supposed to be like this. that said your lens is not defective. the apreture mechanism is a really hard to work with design, and therfor only a small displacement of the mechanism should result in somthing like you describe. for this lens (stf variant) i would say test it out and see if your bokeh (which you most likely bought it for) is nicly round or if it has a strange dimple in it (because of this apreture). if it is displaced and this bodders you, i would suggest a return,but if you are not able to tell, just use it as intended.

i know all of this because i have had to assemble a 135mm f2,8 withouth the disassemble part (bougth second hand from one whom wanted to clean the apreture but was not able to put it back together again.) and i saw that a smal misalinement from the factury would make this apreture look the way you described.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 December 2022 at 10:08
I looked at the Ken Rockwell photo and indeed that looks "non-round" as well.

I've now checked all my A-mount lenses and also found one with the same behaviour, i.e. my Minolta DT 18-70 kit that came with my KM5D that I bought in 2006. All my other A-mount lenses show a perfect round aperture when fully closed down/disconnected from the camera.

Obviously the STF is a much more special and valuable lens compared to my cheap kit so if you feel uncomfortable about it developing more serious aperture problems in the future I would return it. But if you got a real good deal and the rest looks fine it may be worth the risk, you don't buy an STF for use at very small apertures anyway.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote japp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 December 2022 at 10:11
to be clear, the part that is a bit abnormal was the more present asymetry in your lens. every lens apreture has a bit of a symetry but with this lens it just is a bit more pronounced.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 December 2022 at 10:45
I think the Sony version I had was like that too. It seems mostly irrelevant to me. The lens loses its character the more it is stopped down.
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It's not uncommon in older lenses and rarely has much effect on the picture.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote slrl0ver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 December 2022 at 09:40
Hey all,

Thanks very much for the feedback.

To answer a question I did NOT get "bargain" pricing on the lens, I paid market value for a mint lens, so I'm likely going to return it.

In the mean time, I spent a few minutes to try and take better photos of the aperture from close to wide-open all the way to stopped down. I had use to an A-mount lens adapter (without any optics) so it's possible the "detents" on this adapter don't quite correspond to typical 1/2 stop (i.e. f/2.8, f/4, f/5.6, etc).

https://postimg.cc/gallery/ShHBZpC

I didn't have a jig or a rig to hold the lens perfectly still so if you play these images back the lens moves slightly but hopefully there's not enough parallax error here to draw false conclusions.



Edited by slrl0ver - 12 December 2022 at 09:56
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