Panasonic Lumix S1 and S1R launched |
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ColiNiloK
Senior Member Joined: 24 February 2013 Country: Australia Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Posts: 344 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 May 2020 at 14:16 | |
Hahaha this! I would not have said it better To be honest, I won't wait for the R5, that's going to be too far out of my range too, plus rumoured 45mp is too much, I'm happy with 24mp and I don't need 8K video function, not even 4k actually. Well yes true, with a big lens the weight and size of the camera body won't matter as the lens is big, but it also about how the body's handling in general, like button placement, functions of the buttons, availability of physical dials and how your hand fits etc. That's what I appreciate about the A mount FF bodies and the S series cameras. Yea the Tamron is getting lots of good reviews, and the price is a good factor. How important is 200mm vs 180mm? To me longer the better(of coz not to the point of being impractical), not to mention many Tammy lens with focus breathing issue to further reduce that on some occasions. Sony's GM lens is very good with focus breathing control, and Panasonic S Pro lenses too or even better in this regard, oh and they have DSLR lens style focus clutch for MF and MF rotation fine-tuning, this I guess would make some old school DSLR users happy, all these are actually video-friendly features, but it's also beneficial to some photographers. I used to have the 70-200 GM, with A7III it works well and it's a good lens, just wish A7III's handling with that is better. Now since I went back with A mount and primes I think most of the time I can get away with it, just occasionally the convenience factor does make things easier. |
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nandbytes
Senior Member Joined: 09 January 2014 Country: United Kingdom Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Posts: 3630 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 May 2020 at 13:56 | |
R5 seems like $/£4K+ body. I might be wrong but my limit for bodies is around £2K for an used one which might be a while before I can afford it. By which time sony will probably have something as good or better. I only like R5 as a whip for beating sony and other manufacturers to do better i.e. competition is good.
when it comes to large lenses the lenses are so big that a slightly bigger or slightly smaller body makes not real difference. I think the most balanced configuration for what you are after for would be A7III/A9 with new tamron 70-180mm f2.8. Also price wise its cheaper. But of course it's an extending zoom. |
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AG Photography
A7RV, 20-70G, 70-200GII, Viltrox16mm/1.8, 35/1.4GM, Sammy85/1.4II, 500DN |
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ColiNiloK
Senior Member Joined: 24 February 2013 Country: Australia Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Posts: 344 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 May 2020 at 13:19 | |
Yes I played with a friend's EOS R end of last year and I found the size really good, and it's AF great too, but it's little awkward when using that touch screen as a makeshift joystick, the touch bar is funny too, and no mode dial... One card slot hmmm I can deal with it but overall it's flaws making me prefer the A7III more... Sony E mount's ergonomics might not be the best but the A7III is an extremely well-balanced camera for sure. I do really like the size of the EOS R though, but in the end for me, its flaws outweigh its pros( Oh the upcoming R5 seems to fix all the ergonomics flaws, but it would definitely cost too much too).
The RF 70-200 with external zoom design, hmm I'm not sure about this actually, yes Canon and Lens Rental say the built is good but I just don't think it can ever beat the build against internal zoom style 70-200. Yes optically I heard it's great as all Canon 70-200s are, but another super expensive 70-200 with the external zoom design trading size and weight which isn't exactly a pro for me personally( As I'm used to my A mount gear), I must be one strange dude . I only held the S1 body once, and I have to say it very similar to A mount ergonomics that I'm used to, so it's not really big and heavy for me at all, it's in fact smaller than D850 and 5D4 in dimension, which I have also played with before. Well smaller and lighter is defiantly a good thing, but the handling of larger lenses I think a bigger body is better. You mentioned Nikon Z, it definitely seems like a well-designed body ergonomics wise, DP review likes it. I never had the honour to play with it, nor I'm a fan of Nikon's menu system or straight out of camera colours. At the end of the day, I guess it's about whether one can deal with the flaws of a system, and that really depends on the individual. We are spoiled with lots of good choices for cameras indeed. Edited by ColiNiloK - 12 May 2020 at 13:29 |
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nandbytes
Senior Member Joined: 09 January 2014 Country: United Kingdom Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Posts: 3630 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 May 2020 at 18:58 | |
If indoors is important to you EOS R is the best one of the lot for indoors if you can deal with one card slot and 3fps. Their RF 70-200mm is also reviewed to be very good.
Personally feel S1 is too bulky and unnecessarily huge. That said A7 bodies aren't anything to write home about for handling. Nikon Z is the best one of the lot for me in terms of handling. |
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AG Photography
A7RV, 20-70G, 70-200GII, Viltrox16mm/1.8, 35/1.4GM, Sammy85/1.4II, 500DN |
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ColiNiloK
Senior Member Joined: 24 February 2013 Country: Australia Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Posts: 344 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 May 2020 at 14:24 | |
Nice find! I will definitely have a read, cheers. |
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ColiNiloK
Senior Member Joined: 24 February 2013 Country: Australia Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Posts: 344 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 May 2020 at 14:22 | |
Yea I assume so too, the DFD contrast section AF, especially on the initial firmware, wasn't getting lots of praises for indoor shooting, that's why I didn't really pay too much attention to the S series cameras when they launched, but after firmware 1.2 I saw a pretty big improvement from reviews and other forums, thus I read a bit more, still didn't push me over to think about it until recently.
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ColiNiloK
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 May 2020 at 14:16 | |
Yes, the Panasonic 70-200mm lenses, not interested in those variable apertured overpriced Leica SL lenses, though they are optically fantastic. The only reason I asked here is that out of curiosity and I like the culture of this forum, it also happens there is a post about the S series too, and my recent experience, so I thought I will ask. I'm well aware of the reviews that say AFC isn't the best on the S series cameras, however with the latest firmware, many reviewers say they are decent. I have a good friend who shoots Sony that I work with on freelance projects sometimes recently got an S1 with 24-105mm f4 to do video, I was surprised of his decision, he told me it's coz of the ergonomics and video codec, bitrate ( V-log, 10 bit 60P in 4K etc) and the AFC is actually really decent. I have to say, it got me thinking, coz I have gone back using my A mount cameras(A900 and A850) purely because of ergonomics and got rid of most of my E mount gear. Yes E mount has better lenses optically speaking, however, having used A7III on and off for a while I'm still not exactly that satisfied with the handling, the AF is fantastic, but a recent wedding shoot ( yes in this time it's kinda special) I decided to use my old school A mount cameras for the job. I realise for what I do nowadays, mainly stationary, slow to at most some medium moving objects, a mixture of indoor and outdoor I might not need top AF performance as capable as A7III's, even my A900, A850's AF is mostly good enough, but the handling of a camera body for me is very important, which the A7III lacks a bit, and the S1 seems to offer this, and high ISO- my A mount cameras lack a bit, still good though, which the S1 also seem to have this as well. At the same week of my shoot, that friend of mine I mentioned above told me he bought an S1 and shared with me his experience. Thus after the shoot, I was really thinking if the S1's AF is good enough for indoor using 70-200 lens then maybe I will consider adding that in my kit, the Panasonic S pro 70-200mm f2.8 lens is one of the best 70-200 lenses out there from what I read online as well. Edited by ColiNiloK - 10 May 2020 at 14:35 |
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Heidfirst
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 May 2020 at 12:08 | |
You might want to peruse back through https://visualsciencelab.blogspot.com/ as Kirk Tuck has both. |
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nandbytes
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 May 2020 at 08:24 | |
Yep I agree and the Panasonic FF haven't been very popular so you won't find as many people with experience to start with.
I have only used them twice, indoors in Wex (local camera store) open days for about 15 minutes each time. The longest lens I have used is the 24-105mm. AF-S was actually better than any Sony I have used especially indoors. AF-C was perhaps the worst of the lot because of contrast detection AF as mentioned above. |
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AG Photography
A7RV, 20-70G, 70-200GII, Viltrox16mm/1.8, 35/1.4GM, Sammy85/1.4II, 500DN |
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trainerKEN
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 May 2020 at 08:09 | |
the store that I work part-time at, which is closed at the moment due to the virus, has the S1 on demo. I've played with it in the past, and in good light, the AF wasn't bad, but when I took it to a room with the light dimmed, then the AF wasn't so snappy... it's contrast-detection only, so maybe that might have something to do with it. |
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addy landzaat
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 May 2020 at 07:59 | |
I doubt a lot of people around here have used the S1 or S1R seriously.
What do you mean by "longer lenses"? AFAIK the longest L-mount lens is the Leica 90-280 for US$7100/€6200 and that is not that long. You talk about indoor events, that means something like the Panasonic 70-200/2.8 or 70-200/4 also fits. Or are you looking at the 75mm-135mm prime lenses that are offered by Leica and Sigma? Or are you looking at adapted lenses with the Sigma MC-12? So, what do you mean by "longer lenses"? Anyway, all the reviews mention that these cameras are let down by the contrast AF system. It seems fine for single shot, but less so for continuous AF. Maybe ask this question over at Fredmiranda.com? I guess more people over there will have used both systems. |
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ColiNiloK
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 May 2020 at 06:25 | |
Anyone had any experience using them? Especially for indoor events or comparing with the A7III using longer lenses?
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pegelli
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 02 March 2019 at 07:48 | |
To me they seem very competent cameras and with the L-mount consortium there will be a lot of very high quality glass available to use on them.
However I see no reason for me to jump ship. I find the bodies too big and it's a very expensive endeavor to do so, especially since the bodies are priced quite high and this high quality glass won't be cheap either. But no question it will be a mighty competitor vs. Sony (and the others in the FF mirrorless segment) |
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trainerKEN
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 02 March 2019 at 04:22 | |
so, you guys may know that I work part-time at a camera shop, today the Panasonic/Lumix reps were at our store to demo the S1 and S1R, I didn't get to play with them much but when I looked through the EVF, it wasn't like: "OMG! THIS EVF IS WAAAAAAAAAY BETTER AND SHARPER!!!"
The AF was fine in our store where it's well lit, but when I took into our training room, with less light, it hunted quite badly, this was the S1R with their 70-200mm F4. The build was very nice and robust, buttons, dials everything felt great, and I think this is where some of the extra cost comes in |
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