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    Posted: 10 February 2019 at 01:29
I’m looking to sell a kidney and upgrade my PC for LR & PS editing, video soon, with web streaming.
No gaming.
My main question is on the graphics card as I’ve done plenty of research on the other items, but the GPU choice is a bit more difficult

CURRENT                    
MB     Asus H97M plus (1150, ddr3)          
CPU     i7-4790, 3.7GHz               
RAM      32GB DDR3                              
GPU     Radeon R7 340 2GB    

PLANNED
MB:   Asus Z390 LGA 1151 ATX (ddr4)
      or maybe with built in wifi ASUS TUF Z390-PLUS GAMING WI-FI LGA            1151 ATX


CPU:   i7 8700K, 3.6Ghz (nonK is only 3.2)

RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16GB (2x 8GB) DDR4 3200
      Add later (Bdgt) G.Skill Ripjaws V 16GB (2x 8GB) DDR4 3200

GPU: ASUS GeForce GTX 1060 DUAL OC 3GB
          Or         4GB + such as
               EVGA GTX 1060 6gb video card
               MSI GTX 1060 6GB AERO ITX
       or even a Radeon RX 580?

I’m wary about buying a used GPU as a lot have been used for mining or deep learning therefore possible overheating problems.

Cheers
Howard


Edited by happyjack - 10 February 2019 at 04:32
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G'day Howard,

My suggestion would be to go for maybe a 1070GTX with 6GB RAM, or better still if you can wait a couple months for the new range of Graphic cards price drop a little by then.


Currently the EVGA RTX2070 8GB DDR6 is currently available on promotion

RTX2070 XC 8GB No affiliation with this company, just the current price listed with them.

These new cards have the Display Port 1.4 (8K Res) and HDMI2.0b (4K Res)

Hope it helps.

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Thanks, but at those prices it would be both kidneys, am arm & a leg

Im just checking out the EVGA at $300 new nearly new.
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At the level you are looking at I would not wory too much on mining. For mining mostly the higher end stuff is used. Have a look at a GTX970. 2nd hand can be picked up around 150$. Similar speed to a GTX1060 and 4Gb of ram.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 February 2019 at 10:31
The graphics card is not that important for photography, a little more for video. You do not need the best gaming GPU, but something with enough video RAM.

Some stuff to read:
Videomaker.com: how to choose the right video editing workstation
engadget.com: the best gear for photo and video editing
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AudioDoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 February 2019 at 16:27
Howard,

Sounds like even your old build is a nice set up!   Question. What does mining mean in regards to a GPU? Haven't heard that expression -- sorry for asking a dumb question.

The link Addy gave has some good information. Of course it is just my opinion, but I feel the GUP is extremely important Sounds like you are on the right track though looking at Nvidia GPUs. The more onboard ram the better.

My son in the Broadcast design/motion graphics field always recommends the Quatro cards to me, but they likely are not in your budget. The gaming cards offer a better value, though as far as I know if you have a full color gamut monitor, that requires 10 bit pixel for Adobe RGB full color gamut, you may have to go with a pro card like the Quatro series. Though LR doesn't support full color gamut editing anyway -- PS does as to my understanding.

I use On1 Photo Raw 2019 and it does rely on the GPU heavily. PS may also, again I think LR does not, but I'm not sure.

I am using the AMD Firepro V4900 card. It's already considered a "Legacy" card and AMD hasn't updated drives for a couple years now. That is a BIG problem with the constant updates from these software companies. Therefor, I am a bit sour on AMD cards and wouldn't recommend them. I understand Nvidia is much better at providing driver updates. Again, just my opinion.

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Mining is for crypto currency. Don't ask me for details, but this time last year GPU prices were insane....

Quadro indeed is the professional card and should be ideal. The AMD consumer cards (Radeon) keep getting new drivers all the time, the problem seems to be the pro Firepro cards (the last driver for the V4900 is from October 2017), it seems Nvidia Quadro is better in this regard.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AudioDoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 February 2019 at 19:22
Thanks Addy for the mining definition!

Correct. Last driver update for my V4900 was 2017!
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Mining is now cost-ineffective - so availability and prices will come down a bit.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 February 2019 at 23:15
Originally posted by AudioDoc AudioDoc wrote:

Of course it is just my opinion, but I feel the GUP is extremely important ...

This is about photo editing, right?

Engadget is of course not the ultimate authority on anything, but this is the advice from that source:

"Adobe's Lightroom and Photoshop, the two most popular photo-editing packages, benefit little from a GPU; you're better off having more RAM and faster storage ... Adobe recently added GPU support to Lightroom CC, but it only helps if you have a recent, high-end GPU and 4K monitor. If you're running an older or cheaper GPU at 1080p, you could actually see worse performance with the GPU enabled because of the extra overhead."

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Post Options Post Options   Quote AudioDoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 February 2019 at 01:02
I did say it was my opinion -- I know I'm not always correct -- especially when it comes to what other people need and can afford. My choices for myself are usually right on though!
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Thanks for all the input, and some answers back;
GPU? : Interesting.
ask the question on Google "do i need a dedicated graphics card for photo editing" and the general answer appears to be no/maybe, but all the research I have done on building a pc for photo editing suggests a GPU is important and at least 4GB VRAM. Especially when i start video editing, maybe even 6GB ( a case of 2 legs good, 4 legs better, 6 legs best?)
Anyway, to be sure, to be sure, I have bought a used NVIDIA Quadro K4200 4GB GDDR5 used according to the seller who is a pc repair/upgrade guy as only used for graphics

it is a 10 bit - my current monitor, HPZR24w, is 8 bit but if i need to replace it I may well go for a 10 bit monitor, so a 10 bit card now will be future proofing.
It is also listed by adobe
It should also work with my current MB 0 I'll upgrade the rest later when i get paid for my kidney

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Quadro+K4200&id=2944
https://i0.wp.com/www.techarp.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/nvidia_s6d2gf3s3fg23d1gn3nn_4.png

Adobe has tested the laptop and desktop versions of the following graphics processor card series:

    nVidia GeForce: 400, 500, 600, 700 series
    nVidia GeForce GTX 965M & 980M
    nVidia Quadro: 2000, 4000 (Windows® and Mac OS), CX, 5000, 6000, K600, K2000, K4000, K5000 (Windows® and Mac OS), M4000, M5000, P2000, P4000, P5000
    nVidia GRID K1, K2
    AMD/ATI Radeon: 5000, 6000, 7000, R7, R9 series, 7950 Mac OS
    AMD/ATI FirePro: 3800, 4800, 5800, 7800, 8800, 9800, 3900, 4900, 5900, 7900, W8100, W9100, D300, D500, D700
    AMD/ATI FireGL: W5000, W7000, W8000
    AMD RX 480
    nVidia GeForce 1080 GTX
    Intel® HD Graphics: P530, P630, 5000
    Intel® Iris Pro Graphics: P5200, P6300, P580
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Post Options Post Options   Quote happyjack Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 February 2019 at 02:22
Thanks Kelly - yes the set up has been with me for about 4 years but once i get an idea in to my head!
Maybe I should have spent the money on another camera to back up my A77M2, but that will be my other kidney
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Post Options Post Options   Quote happyjack Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 February 2019 at 02:40
Oh, and I've decided to go with the ASUS TUF Z390-PLUS GAMING LGA1151 atx as the PC travels with me in my caravan so the tuffer the better.
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