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@dCap

If it's just photo management you're after, then you could give ACDSee Home a spin. It has a 30 day free trial. And it's not very expensive compared to LR or C1. I'm afraid I went a bit wild in my first few years of DSLR photography and took lots (thousands) of pics, freed from the worry of film development cost. Since then I have slowed down a lot (shot less, keep more).
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Originally posted by ADub128 ADub128 wrote:

@eddyizm ... I need to do little video snippets just to get started. But the idea of editing something long, looking at cuts frame by frame does not sound appealing, yet. One day. Pretty much every camera I own has video. So rare that I switch my cams to that mode. I remember how controversial video was here at Dyxum in some of the threads back in the day. Now it's a must have feature, right?


Every time I try to do some video, it's just *so much work* and the file sizes are massive these days. Editing just takes so long then you need a whole slew of gear to steady the camera, a good mic, led lighting. Some of those great videos I watch on youtube really take a lot of leg work, planning and post effort.

I have a friend gifting me a GoPro soon so I may need to find some simple workflow solution.
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@eddyizm & @ADub128

I had to lift my video game last year as Covid19 meant suddenly a lot of stuff had to be done for online, asynchronous delivery.
I did find starting with short clips and learning some basic tool helped. Some of the things we're aware of as photographers carry over to video. Like framing the elements in the shot, attention to lighting. Getting things right in the camera helps before you work on the files.

But yes, it is quite demanding on resources. So much so, I've ended up getting a MacBook Air with the M1 chip (16G, 1TB drive) and FinalCutPro for this year. My 2016 era Laptop (Alienware R15 w16G Ram/4K screen was struggling with the video files). Video clips are part of my 'trying something new' challenge afterall.
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Originally posted by Wētāpunga Wētāpunga wrote:

@dCap

If it's just photo management you're after, then you could give ACDSee Home a spin. It has a 30 day free trial. And it's not very expensive compared to LR or C1. I'm afraid I went a bit wild in my first few years of DSLR photography and took lots (thousands) of pics, freed from the worry of film development cost. Since then I have slowed down a lot (shot less, keep more).


Thank you - I don't think I'm aiming for an organizer tool. Before library apps were a thing I just used PS Lite (Elements). And filed my own stuff. I'm used to file management and have kept my RAWs in the same structure for 15 years (which helps). But I've been good/bad/worse/variable on my JPGs. Since my aim with my archive is to rework my edits I'm happy to cut through that.

Back in my mac days I made a FileMaker database of my images - but it was total over design. Was fun as I've understood relational databases ever since. Has been handy in later years.

It is the process of seeing the images again that is of interest to me now. Filing is a simple job - and my eventual take is gonna be:
- photo is good enough for online portfolio (keep RAW, full size TIF and a web size final PNG)
- photo is good enough to decorate a blog post (keep a web size PNG - delete the RAW)
- photo is not good enough for website = delete it**

** I don't shoot family events, so my memories are all photos of walls and doors with 'artistic emotion' only.

I know, everyone keeps all their photos and pays for 10s TB of cloud. But my mission is to put all my RAW/TIF/PNG on one 256GB drive. Well, okay, 3 of them as grandmother/mother/daughter back-ups. But I don't want the 6-7 TB I have today. 128GB would be ideal and a stretch target.

I'm gonna skip straight from heavily embedded in LR to just using a 'PS Lite' alternative. And I'm wanting to not be locked into anything. My websites will be hand typed HTML (even though everyone uses WordPress there are a few things I don't like about it. Being unlocked gives me a sense of freedom and I pay less rent.

Love that I don't shoot video!

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Originally posted by Wētāpunga Wētāpunga wrote:

@eddyizm & @ADub128


But yes, it is quite demanding on resources. So much so, I've ended up getting a MacBook Air with the M1 chip (16G, 1TB drive) and FinalCutPro for this year. My 2016 era Laptop (Alienware R15 w16G Ram/4K screen was struggling with the video files).


lol that's exactly what I'm talking about. In my head, I can't even keep up with edit/publish my photography, video would "sink my leaking ship". Excuses, I got them.

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Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:



I know, everyone keeps all their photos and pays for 10s TB of cloud. But my mission is to put all my RAW/TIF/PNG on one 256GB drive. Well, okay, 3 of them as grandmother/mother/daughter back-ups. But I don't want the 6-7 TB I have today. 128GB would be ideal and a stretch target.

I'm gonna skip straight from heavily embedded in LR to just using a 'PS Lite' alternative. And I'm wanting to not be locked into anything. My websites will be hand typed HTML (even though everyone uses WordPress there are a few things I don't like about it. Being unlocked gives me a sense of freedom and I pay less rent.

Love that I don't shoot video!


I actually switched from flickr a few years back and started using google photos. Now this year with their new announcement, I was like f*ck. Decided, as I have with most other things these days, to look for a self hosted solution. (I recently swapped to a self hosted music solution since google killed google music/play)

I am in the process of moving over my photography to https://photoprism.app/ - an excellent solution so far and I have it up and running. Both my music and photos are running out a my home server, easy to replicate, move to another host and backup.

 



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Originally posted by eddyizm eddyizm wrote:

I actually switched from flickr a few years back and started using google photos. Now this year with their new announcement, I was like f*ck. Decided, as I have with most other things these days, to look for a self hosted solution. (I recently swapped to a self hosted music solution since google killed google music/play)

I am in the process of moving over my photography to https://photoprism.app/ - an excellent solution so far and I have it up and running. Both my music and photos are running out a my home server, easy to replicate, move to another host and backup.


That is a neat solution eddy. And in part (for me) the learning in what a lot of us already knew about the flickr model (2006-9 era, when it was relevant as a social site). That being - putting things in a free (or cheap) place is probably not gonna end well. Countless examples of this now.

Google photos, to me, or google drive, has always been a place to put rough stuff. A quick notepad to flip-flop between machines. And for me a place where some of my Android phone photos go. I've never put real photos up there and so have never gone over the free 15GB limit.

I believe in paying for stuff though (some of the misunderstanding of flickr is that people were expecting freebie). But I'll not pay silly prices.

File management/size will keep me away from video for a long time. Plus I think it is such a different medium. Capturing a moment in one image vs the framing of video and story telling ... is like riding a bicycle or swimming - the skill set of breathing is transferable but not a lot else.

PS - I love video - but as a viewer.

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Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:

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I know, everyone keeps all their photos and pays for 10s TB of cloud. But my mission is to put all my RAW/TIF/PNG on one 256GB drive. Well, okay, 3 of them as grandmother/mother/daughter back-ups. But I don't want the 6-7 TB I have today. 128GB would be ideal and a stretch target.

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Love that I don't shoot video!


Interesting, I think I've got about 1.5TB of photos (accumulated since 2007) and some of those are on a 3TB external drive. I do have a 2 TB cloud account with no subscription fees. And my Zenfolio account has unlimited storage.

Like you I am planning on getting it all down to a much smaller size. Wondering about producing some high quality photobooks of family/kid sports/holiday shots and getting rid of a lot of pics that aren't of interest or decent quality.
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Early on in my career, I did "linear editing" of videotapes -- VHS master tapes (video camera output) to VHS edited tape (which became the edited master). Modern non-linear editing could be fun, but I would need to be paid to do it, LOL. Maybe I'll find some joy in it this year. I used to make animated slide shows using those automated tools ... that was sort of fun, but I prefer still photography still.

I agree, I need to cull out the clearly bad images from my archives. I haven't checked how much space I have used.

Who here consistently uses a RAW workflow?
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Originally posted by ADub128 ADub128 wrote:

Who here consistently uses a RAW workflow?
I do, most of the time. Sometimes JPG is unavoidable, but most of the time I use RAW. I just looked in my LR catalogue (spoiler alert I'm very bad at culling photos) and I have ~90k files from A- and E-mount cameras of which ~65k are RAWs and DNGs.
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Originally posted by ADub128 ADub128 wrote:

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Who here consistently uses a RAW workflow?


Depends on how you define 'consistently'.
In the first 2-3 years (2007-9) of DSLR photography no, not really. With a small PC hard-drive and no LR, I had photos stored in external hard drives and DVD backups all over the place. I did like Silkypix as my raw converter but it didn't do much for photo management.

Then I got into LR and things improved. I was fairly consistent, so much so that I could usually find a photo of something I took in China or on some holiday reasonably quickly.

Last couple of years I haven't been really doing much on the photography front so a lot of stuff now is sitting in folders. And because I never upgraded to LR 6 & the start of the subscription model, I came a bit unstuck with the a7Riii.

Anyway, I'm trying to get everything into shape now. Starting with finding an eliminating duplicates. Then I hope to get an efficient workflow and much, much smaller catalogues in place.
a77ii- Sony 135/2.8 STF, 16-50/2.8, 70-200/2.8 G
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Originally posted by ADub128 ADub128 wrote:

Who here consistently uses a RAW workflow?
I do, only when the camera doesn't allow it (in-camera panorama, Multi frame NR and those kind of things)

I started in 2006 with a raw converter (forgot the name) that was taken over by Adobe and in response to complaints over misusing their dominant position they gave everybody who used that a free licence to LR 1. That was actually a very good deal since the other raw converter only costed ~60% of the LR1 introductory price. Stopped at LR 6.14 (the last perpetual licence version) which does everything I need. Occasionally I'll use Capture 1 pro or Luminar 4 to render a shot but not more than 5% of my shots and they still all go into LR as my central repository. I now have > 76 k shots in my main catalog and with metadata searches and keywording can quickly locate all of them.

One day I'll be forced to the subscription model but I'm trying to delay that as long as possible.
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Yep, I've pretty much shot RAW since 2005. Not always (e.g. some snaps for an eBay ad, I used to remember to flick to JPG only, but the risk of forgetting and not returning to RAW isn't worth it).

I've got files from a few cameras that my operating system won't recognize and I did switch to JPG for some of that. There was also the Fujifilm S5 Pro (Nikon D200 body with a Fujifilm label on the top - that was better as a JPG machine I think?).

If that is what you mean by RAW workflow?
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@ADub128: I shot my first RAW in end of 2005 and started using LR first public beta the day it was released in jan 2006, from that point on I have been shooting and using LR as my catalog and main photo editing tool.

@pegelli: Think it was Light table (?) that adobe bought and renamed. First public beta was MacOS only and free. think I did not turn LR off for an insanely long time after the beta license ended before I was forced to and actually bought LR1.

Tried other catalog and RAW processing apps, but always ended up with continuing with LR.
Funn thing now processing old MRW-files is that it's clear that shooting RAW was the way to go :)
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