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    Posted: 06 October 2021 at 20:00
I'm curious about the fuss being made about new camera models should have flip-out screens rather than tilting screens. Of course some kind of fully articulating screen would be the best of all worlds, if that would be feasible. The articulating screen on my A99 remain turned inward most of the time and not used often.

So I'm curious as to what the preferences are of fellow Dyxumers.
And are you mainly a stills photographer, a videographer or both?

I rarely shoot video myself and shoot mostly using the EVF, and not the rear screen. However for travel/street photography, I like to use the camera at waist height, like an old view camera, so I like a tilting screen for that. A flip-out screen seems awkward to me for my style of shooting. For vertical shots it might work well. I prefer the horizontal orientation for most of my photos.
It seems to me that the main interest of many is blogging selfies and such which just isn't going to happen with me.

This subject comes up a lot recently with those that are speculating about what features and specs the A7IV will have. I'm happy with my A7III so I'm not looking to upgrade at the moment, but I'm always interested in new products and technologies.

So obviously things have changed a lot since I first joined Dyxum. We have many new and younger photographers since then. I can tell you that I have a drawer full of video tapes from way back when and nobody is ever interested in viewing them. Same goes with the few videos I'm made with my A7 and A7III. But my photos and prints are viewed by myself and others often.

But that is just me. How about you?

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I'm mostly a stills photographer but the video side is also important. What I've found is that sometimes, having some video provides a story or background to the photos I take, and this increases interest in the photos.

For straight stills photographer I still use the EVF for most shooting, but for landscapes or macro, being able to use the rear screen, focus peaking and magnification to get the shot I want is important.

I usually travel as light as I can, so any video gear is usually mounted on top of the camera (I haven't gone the cage-route). So yesterday I had a field recorder and a shotgun microphone mounted on a Rode dual cold shoe. This has two effects. First, I can't use the EVF because of the overhang of devices. And second, they obscure the view of the EVF at certain angles.

So my preference would be for a flip-out screen if I had to choose (and fully articulating wasn't an option).
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I very very rarely record any video, but I do quite often use the rear screen to frame pictures especially if shooting near ground. The main problem with the tilting screens on most E mount cameras is that it does not suit situations where you want to shoot in portrait orientation (and use the rear screen rather than the viewfinder), the rotating screen on α77/99 series is therefor much better for such situations and I guess the flip-out type screen (as in α7S III) might work fine too, although I am not quite sure how well it will work for hand-held use in the landscape orientation when the screen is on the side...
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I find flip-out screens off balance the camera making it more difficult to keep your camera level. The only real advantage of a flip out screen is in vertical framing (and selfies/vlogging).

@Wētāpunga: I do not understand why you prefer a flip out screen. I understand you cannot use the EVF with your current set-up but that does not explain why you prefer a flip-out screen....

Also, why bring a field recorder when you travel as light as you can?
Also, also, did you consider the Sony ECM-B1M? It will allow you using the EVF I think.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:



@Wētāpunga: I do not understand why you prefer a flip out screen. I understand you cannot use the EVF with your current set-up but that does not explain why you prefer a flip-out screen....

Also, why bring a field recorder when you travel as light as you can?
Also, also, did you consider the Sony ECM-B1M? It will allow you using the EVF I think.


I understood the flip out screen goes to the side of the camera, like the latest ZV cameras Sony has released, not up and down. Having it to the side would mean it would be clear of the obstructions on top of the camera.

The Zoom F1 field recorder I use is very compact and records in uncompressed wav format. So I don't have the compressed audio that would be recorded in camera. For recording bird songs or the like, a longer shotgun microphone with 'more reach' matters (plus an XLR cable). And it works. I recorded some very clear bird audio yesterday (the video was not nearly as good). The shorter shotgun microphone of the F1 recorder was not as good as the Sennheiser I now use.

From what I could see the ECM-B1M microphone is too short, it doesn't record uncompressed sound and to be honest, it is rather expensive.I couldn't mount it on a pistol grip either if all I wanted to do was record bird song.

So as with everything in photography, it's about compromises. The set up is large enough to get the reach I need, but not so large it needs a larger video cage or overweigh the camera.

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Good points! When I do make videos, its for the same reason, to complement my photos with the atmosphere that video can add (especially sounds).
As some of you may remember, my photography is mostly of railroading and travel. Actually, I've often wished that my camera could capture sound while taking stills!

As for the flipout (if articulating) it's usable of course for holding the camera at waist level (or lower or higher), but I prefer the screen inline with the lens. Just seems funky to me flipped out to the side. Of course vertical/portrait stills the flip out (down) should work fine, but my preference is to shoot horizontally.
As with my A99, I would likely keep the screen tuned in most of the time and only use the EVF.

As for 4K or even 8K, even if I did shoot a lot of video, I don't have a 4K TV or monitor!
 



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Well, perhaps I have a different view (excuse the pun) about the articulating screen on the a99 and a77?

I find I have the screen turned in almost all the time when using the camera 'normally' and using the EVF. However, increasingly for flower shots and those times when I don't have a tripod for things such as ceilings (churches etc.) and where I need to use the camera away from the eye and also, perhaps, at an unusual angle (I'm not as agile as I used to be!) the articulated screen is a real benefit. Just a 'tilt and no turn' would be nowhere near as useful to me I'm afraid and it's one of the tings that puts me off other models who lack the articulation to the screen?

I consider myself fortunate in that I am able to hand-hold down to very slow shutter speeds which negates the use of a tripod much of the time; a non-articulated screen would probably result in me having to use a tripod more often (or lose those shots where tripods are not allowed).

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Thanks, Neil,

I know what you mean about not being as agile as before. I'm in that boat as well. In fact just two month ago I had total knee replacement surgery.
And I can tell you that the these things are the reason I seldom use my A99 anymore and shoot mainly with the A7III. The A99, camera and lenses are just too big and heavy for this old guy most of the time! Not only that, but the A7III AF is just far superior to the A99. I' have to admit to becoming spoiled by the A7III's autofocus which just works great for my railroad photography. Not to knock my A99 -- I made many super nice photographs with that camera as well as my Maxxum 7D before the A99. I miss the built in GPS of the A99.

Do you ever use your camera for video, Niel? Video seems to drive many of the features and specs of new cameras.   As I say many people want to take photos and videos of themselves these days and thus all the fuss about new camera models having flip-out screens.

Kind regards,

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@Wētāpunga: ah, the recording part is just as important or more important then the video. Yes, then it makes sense.

I started to use the screen more a couple of years ago with smaller lenses and street-like photography. In that situation an articulating flip out screen is cumbersome. If I want to make a picture from a lower point of view, I need to flip out the screen, turn it around and up - in stead of simply pull it.
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The articulating screen on the a99 is the gold standard for me. Anything less is a disappointment.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

@Wētāpunga: ah, the recording part is just as important or more important then the video. Yes, then it makes sense.


If the reach isn't important and I don't need to squeeze out all the sound quality I can, I use an Azden SX-30. It's a combination shotgun/twin capsule stereo microphone. But it connects via the 3.5mm microphone port, not XLR, and of course records in camera in compressed audio formats. I mean it sounds much, much better than the camera's microphones, so is good enough for a lot of purposes.

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:


I started to use the screen more a couple of years ago with smaller lenses and street-like photography. In that situation an articulating flip out screen is cumbersome. If I want to make a picture from a lower point of view, I need to flip out the screen, turn it around and up - in stead of simply pull it.


Yeah, that makes sense for your shooting style. I guess there is no single design that is best for all users.
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Originally posted by AudioDoc AudioDoc wrote:

Thanks, Neil,

Do you ever use your camera for video, Niel? Video seems to drive many of the features and specs of new cameras.   As I say many people want to take photos and videos of themselves these days and thus all the fuss about new camera models having flip-out screens.

Kind regards,

Kelly


Hi Kelly,

Video? What's that.....?

I can count on the fingers of one hand the times I have used the a99 for a video - and all based on a need for work to have a record of a workshop type activity. I suspect I'd get 'into' video quite quickly if it were motor racing etc., but catch fencing and barriers are so prolific now I'd rather leave that type of video to those guys perched on top of the gantry's round the track! Anyway, far too many things to photograph with a stills camera I think?

Hope the knees improve - it's lower back issues for me I'm afraid!

Take care and stay safe young man! Best wishes, Neil.
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Originally posted by JST1 JST1 wrote:

The articulating screen on the a99 is the gold standard for me. Anything less is a disappointment.


I suspect I would agree with that statement if I'd tried any other camera without this facility. It is a great piece of engineering and, for a change, doesn't seem to be a weak spot of the camera!


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I've used everything from a simple tilt to articulated to flip, and they all have their advantages. If you start to feel too limited with any of these, consider the gold standard of Pre Cambrian Age photo tech - the angle finder
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