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    Posted: 09 September 2010 at 07:40
Lens quality can be a touchy subject, some people buy expensive glass and put cheap UV filters on the front, they also don't clean them, use soft focus filters and also Photoshop them badly, yes I know not everyone.
The extra perceived or real quality gained from Zeiss, Leica, Nikon, Schneider is beauty in the eye of the beholder, or could it be the Emperor's new clothes.

I have been lucky enough to use some wonderful glass over the years BUT PLEASE MR. SONY & MR. ZEISS give us a 50mm Planar for the Alpha, the 50 1.4 Sony is a great little lens but not a Planar and the Sigma 50mm 1.4 is an exceptional lens if you get a good copy.

These days I think some Zeiss lenses are made by Cosina Voigtlander but like Marks and Spencers biscuits to a Zeiss recipe and under stricter quality control.

Having said that I think CV glass is superb and the link below is to a mock up book I am working on for a publisher containing CV 40mm f1.4 images and A900 Zeiss images.
I stress it is a mock up, I use Blurb for printers dummies and part from 2 pages the words are lorum ipsum.

http://www.blurb.com/books/1563541

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Zeiss have a great range of lenses of the shelf of which some are available in F/EF/K mount and they have releasing the Zeiss Compact Prime CP.2 cine lenses in various mounts so lets have some more lenses from the Zeiss catalogue in A mount please.

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Originally posted by vikingodos vikingodos wrote:

PLEASE MR. SONY & MR. ZEISS give us a Planar for the Alpha


The 85/1.4 is already a Planar design
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Sorry I forgot to ad 50mm Planar, I have the 85.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote A100 Matt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 September 2010 at 13:48
I agree, it would be nice if the 50/1.4 was as sharp as the 85/1.4 wide open (I use both). But it'd likely be a lot more expensive too
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 September 2010 at 14:23
I said it before and I say it again: there are other holes in the line-up that need filling first.

There is NO need for a new 50/1.4 as long as we have a perfectly capable 50/1.4. What we do need is a good 180/200 prime - Preferable a 200/2.8, but for marketing purposes maybe a 200/2 or 200/1.8.

Also, we have the 35/1.4G that is a very specialized lens and there is room for a more general usable FF 35mm.

When, and only when, the 200mm and 35mm holes are filled, Sony/Zeiss should divert resources to a new 50/1.4 design. I'm sorry David.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote roweraay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 September 2010 at 15:35
The Zeiss primes that would tempt me are: 18mm Distagon ultrawide, 35mm and 50mm.....all of them with SSM.

The longer lenses could very well be done by the internal Sony "G" team and thus issuing the wides and Teles need not be an either/or proposition.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote klw10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 September 2010 at 15:42
I wish we would see a FF 16mm prime. Now that would be sweet!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote vikingodos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 September 2010 at 15:54
Zeiss's longest non Sony lens is 100 macro for still cameras and the 135 1.8 becomes 200mm on APS-C cameras or cropped A900.
Zeiss have over 100 years of design for 50 ish lenses off the shelf, you just need an A mount.
They also have just released a superb 35mm lens for FF.
Zeiss seem to leave longer lenses to other people and concentrate on wide to short tele which is a band in which most images are made.
I love my 16-35/85/135 and if I had free choice to ad it would be a 50 Planar and 18mm distagon, I am more than happy with 200mm 1.8 (135) on my A700.
We can all dream.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 September 2010 at 16:57
The idea that a 135/1.8 "becomes" a 200 on an APS-C camera is, how do I put it politely, not true. If I want a 200mm, I don't want a 135mm...
By your logic, that 50mm your asking for is a 75mm on APS-C, and we already have an 85mm planar

On Contax and longer lenses: they made contax 180/2.8, 200/3.5|200/4 and 300/4 lenses. So, there is no reason why Zeiss wouldn't make a long tele. To be honest, I couldn't be bothered who builds it - I would buy a reasonable priced 200/2.8, either G or CZ.

I can see the wish for a wide of 16mm or 18mm - but I don't see any need for a 50mm as we have a very capable 50mm already. Designing a 50mm would be a waist of resources. Of course IMHO (well, not that humble )
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Woodworth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 September 2010 at 17:03
I agree with Addy (except his spelling of waste!).

In fact almost any of the old Contax Zeiss lenses would be nice additions (where there isn't a existing Zeiss or G).

A 100 f2 macro perhaps and an 18 f4 would be very welcome.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 6tyNine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 September 2010 at 17:20
that u think there's room for 2 35mms but not for 2 50mms is beyond me.

in any case, the fact that zeiss is making ze & zf lenses not available on as za is just stupid.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 September 2010 at 17:40
"that u think there's room for 2 35mms but not for 2 50mms is beyond me"
Let me explain - developing a 50/1.4 while you have a competitive 50/1.4 is not something I would revert resources to, as you gain nothing - I could see room for a 50/1.0. Our current 35/1.4G is a specialist product, those who like it, really love it, but it gets bad reviews - it makes sense to have another 35 more suited for general use. Hope this clarifies my position a little.

By the way, the ZA-lenses are different from the ZE, ZF, C/Y and N-lenses for the other mounts. Doesn't mean I wouldn't mind if they brought some over - I guess the N-designs would be relatively easy to do.
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Converting the ze/zf designs for AF would probably require extensive work.
Instead, Sony should licence some CN designs because they already included ultrasonic AF.
Photozone tested a couple of them some time ago:
http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/260-zeiss-planar-t-85mm-f14-contax-n-to-canon-ef-review--test-report
http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/261-zeiss-vario-sonnar-t-24-85mm-f35-45-n-contax-n-to-canon-ef-review--test-report
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 September 2010 at 17:41
Originally posted by AlphaMan AlphaMan wrote:

except his spelling of waste!

oops, sorry 'bout that.
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